Talk:Southeastern long-eared bat

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Which is it?[edit]

Is this article about the Greater Long-eared Bat or the South-eastern Long-eared Bat? Because the title is 'Greater Long-eared bat' but everything past the first section is about the South-eastern Long-eared.Sumanuil (talk) 04:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Enwebb:, I thought this was a split, but the taxon was said to be ~~nomen nudum~~ [nomen dubium](Parnaby, 2009), needs a taxobox fix and / or move. I requested Nyctophilus corbeni be deleted, for the moment. cygnis insignis 16:56, 19 January 2019 (UTC) [corr.] 17:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

cygnis insignis I just reviewed Parnaby 2009. On page 44, I noted this relevant paragraph:

For the present, I follow the opinion of Thomas (1914) and treat Vespertilio timoriensis Geoffroy, 1806 as a nomen dubium, based on the level of uncertainty surrounding the whereabouts of Geoffroy’s material, uncertainty over the type locality, and the improbability of matching any current taxon to Geoffroy’s description. A more formal action to stabilize usage of the name V. timoriensis Geoffroy, 1806 for the recently (re)discovered Timorese Nyctophilus will be taken in a separate publication. This will require comparison with N. heran from nearby Lembata Island, to which the Timorese material bears a general resemblance.

So there might be a N. timoriensis now, if Parnaby did in fact follow up and publish a better description of the name. I'm looking for such a paper now. Enwebb (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

read a ref to that, somewhere!, thanks for checking up on it. cygnis insignis 17:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

as for this article, though, I think that it should be retitled to Corben's long-eared bat or south-eastern long-eared bat, and the scientific name updated to N. corbeni. The 2015 Taxonomy of Australian Mammals echoes that N. timoriensis is a doubtful name. Enwebb (talk) 17:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And that is where I read it :P FWIW, ITIS recognises both, but gives Parnaby 2009 as the last word. Messy for the conservation of this mob, I'll keep reading and leave this to your judgement (but think it ought to be at a binomen, one or the other, for the reader's sanity) cygnis insignis 17:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Enwebb: The available name Nyctophilus corbeni was deleted, so it is as I found things, let me know what your preferred outcome is (or show me if that is easier). cygnis insignis 19:36, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cygnis insignis: I went ahead and moved it to N. corbeni and have started some cleanup. Enwebb (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Enwebb:, I poked it around some more, hope it is clear enough what is going. I don't know if anyone has bothered to work out what Gould's painting is depicting, but I might try pushing it to commons. cygnis insignis 16:28, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Enwebb:, hey. I stuck in a bit more, and found another note. The secondary ref (Andrews, 2015) says "[N. timoriensis] … is now regarded as several species and is currently under taxonomic review." which allows me to redirect the name to the genus, where the "timoriensis complex", still used by the same author, can be expanded on as well. Is that what you envisaged? cygnis insignis 13:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

archaeology[edit]

Noted in material identified at the Buchan Caves, as Nyctophilus timoriensis, in this talk: the pleistocene megafauna of victoria cygnis insignis 16:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]