Talk:Sports entertainment

Perceptions Section

The section on perceptions should be considered for removal. The quote "Sports entertainment has a stigma of being mindless, low-level pop culture, in some cases glorifying violence for the sake of entertainment" does not seem to be well-sourced. The article cited refers specifically to pro-wrestling and not sports entertainment. If that's sufficient to make such a claim, then the "Sports Entertainment" page should be considered for merger with the "Pro Wrestling" page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.107.226 (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Figureskating is sports entertainment?

Hugh... Figureskating is sports entertainment??? Could somebody explain? Patiwat 00:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is. This could end up being like that extreme sports article.--Attitude2000 04:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Figureskating isn't sports entertainment. While the winners are based on judges, they are still competing in athletics, and the winners are not predetermined. Figureskating would be sports entertainment if their routines were scripted.BlitzSage (talk) 21:03, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Remove Drifting

Drifting is a motorsport...like nascar. if drifting is in here..add nascar as well.

Examples

I removed the entire examples section. Listed examples are nothing but the opinions of the editor who added them, and except for pro-wrestling, nothing has ever been called sports entertainment in wide usage. hateless 06:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

REPLY: Exibition Basketball has called itself Sports Entertainment widely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.203.121 (talk) 07:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

No it isn't. I have never once heard Exhibition Baseketball refered to as Sports Entertainment. But even if it has, it's an incorrect usage. The term was coined by someoen (I'm assuming Vince McMahon) at WWE for the purpose of differentiating their product from the likes of WCW and other smaller-market brands. So it referred to professional wrestling, in which the action is scripted and outcomes predetermined. I suppose it might be acceptable to refer to a basketball troupe like the Harlem Globetrotters, in which there is no actual competition, but "exhibition basketball" does not imply predetermined outcomes or lack of competition; it merely implies that there are no larger stakes to the game other than the game itself. Think of the preseason in professional sports; those are exhibition games, but they aren't scripted. Joeyecw (talk) 17:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

MMA?

How is MMA sports entertainment? 67.189.8.207 (talk) 17:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

No, because mixed martial arts, such as UFC, is a competitive sport or athletic competition, without predetermined winners. Sports entertainment is a performance; for instance, Shawn Michaels is a performer, not an athlete, even though what he does is athletic.24.151.159.212 (talk) 20:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

XFL

I am removing the XFL from the list, as it was a football league with actual competition. It wasn't a form of sports entertainment in the the same fashion as a Harlem Globetrotters game. Saying that the XFL is a form of sports entertainment would imply that the NFL and USFL were also examples of sports entertainment, when in fact they are sports. Tsurettejr (talk) 14:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

You seem to be under the assumption that something has to have a predetermined outcome to be sports entertainment, when it doesn't at all (read the article, please). The XFL added things such as a scramble instead of an opening coin toss, and other things which clearly went beyond the traditional boundaries of the sport of American football. These were added for entertainment's sake, not to necessarily enhance the athletics themselves, thus: Sports entertainment. It's what every bit of media coverage regarding the XFL focused on during its opening months.TravelingCat (talk) 06:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The term "Sports Entertainment" was coined by and applied to the WWE exclusively. Since this is the case, and there is no actual sporting contest in WWE, the term cannot apply to anything other than professional wrestling--and even then, the term appears to have been created as a marketing device so WWE could distance itself from the rest of the professional wrestling industry. So no, the XFL was not "Sports Entertainment", as the term implies professional wrestling, which is not actually a sporting contest. 64.132.220.21 (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

This Whole Article is a Waste of Space

Yeah, I said it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.238.203 (talk) 09:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

While a Sports Entertainment page may or may not be warranted, this article is flat-out wrong, and should be deleted. To imply that Sports Entertainment includes anything other than professional wrestling is false, period. Delete it64.132.220.21 (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Not, it shouldn't be deleted, because the term has been popularized by numerous sources. Instead, it should be rewritten perhaps. Even if it does describe pro wrestling itself. This term has been used by people such as Vince McMahon to describe what pro wrestling is. The article should give the definition of what this means: scripted sports that have added threatrics and drama to combine the two terms. And the article should explain how wrestling came to be sports entertainment rather than sports.BlitzSage (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The article should simply be honest about its subject: It is an article about a term used by the WWE for professional wrestling. It should say so, instead of pretending the term is in anything remotely close to common use outside of WWE. This should be an article about a quirk of corporate language in the largest wrestling company in the world, which one could still argue is significant, but considering that even Paul Levesque uses the term 'pro wrestling' frequently on Press calls instead of sports entertainment, it hasn't surplanted the older terms meaning even within the company. They way this article reads right now is like having an article entitled "Genius Bar" talk about electronic store helpdesks in general.

Removing film "Rollerball"

I am not familiar with Running Man, but Rollerball in the the movie of the same title is presented as a real, albeit violent, sport.--74.72.100.194 (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Good catch. Andrewa (talk) 12:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Plagiarism

I have added a {{copypaste}} tag to this article because much of it is taken word-for-word from pages 130 and 131 of this non-free source: http://books.google.com/books?id=uKarC6oX3P8C&pg=PT130 . I didn't want to interfere too much with the article during the deletion discussion, but it is important that the plagiarism be dealt with as well as the notability question. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

As I have stated on GaryColemanFan's talk page, I am certain the document in question is a fraudulent compilation of text from many Wikipedia articles. Read the beginning of any of the book's chapters and compare it with the WP text of that subject. Also, the paragraph in question was written by me in March of 2008 (see here) and the online book claims a publication date of 2011. TravelingCat (talk) 18:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree. That book is certainly not original work. The chapter on 'Drugs in Sports' contains text that existed word for word in the Wikipedia article two years before the book was published. --Michig (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I was wrong. Yes, there was some definite copying and pasting going on, but it was the other way around. I apologize for the mistake. GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Is it kosher to remove the copyright question block from the article now? Although I'd normally be bold, I'm not sure of the proper protocol here; this sort of situation doesn't seem to be covered in any of the links.TravelingCat (talk) 04:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm not sure. I sent a message to an administrator who does some work on copyright issues, and I asked for the tag to be removed. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Not happy to see people abuse our text, but always happy for a "backwardscopy" situation. :) I've put the tag at the top of the article in case somebody notes the similarity again. Thanks for investigating, GaryColemanFan. It's always good to check when in doubt, and eliminating doubt can help prevent the content being removed for copyright concerns in the future. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Citation for article

There isn't any citation as to "sports entertainment" being anything other than a term Vince McMahon created for professional wrestling. Is there any valid sources as to the term being expanded to include all the other activities listed in the article? It seems to be original interpretations by editors. BBX118 21:53, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Actually read the sources in the article, please. This was discussed in the failed AfD, and sourced identified there have been integrated into the article. These specifically and explicitly use the term for non-professional wrestling events. oknazevad (talk) 23:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)