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Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
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Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
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Very little written about career highlights[edit]

Resolved

1st point (UK win): Maguire won the UK Championship in 2004 in great style. Why then is so little written about it here? It was arguably the highlight of his career thus far.

2nd point (praise): When Maguire came within 4 frames of Ronnie O'Sullivan at the 2004 World Championship, I can recall O'Sullivan tipping Maguire to win the tournament 2 or 3 times in the future. Then when O'Sullivan lost 6-1 to Maguire at the 2004 British Open, I think he claimed Maguire was the best player in the world? I also seem to remember O'Sullivan saying Maguire could rule the game 'for the next 10 years' when Maguire beat him 9-6 at the 2004 UK Championship. And I am certain that Steve Davis described him as 'inspired' when he beat the nugget 9-2. Some may argue that this information is unimportant, but I believe that these statements put great pressure on Maguire and that is why he has arguably not won as much as many expected (particularly the elusive World title)

Can someone help? I am not the best at searching for references, and indeed my past in Wikipedia is somewhat undesirable so I want to make sure of my business before I make any mistakes. But I am almost certain of the above information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.186.211 (talk) 01:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also recall O'Sullivan saying that Maguire was playing the best snooker in the world when he lost to him in the British Open in 2004. All the information you state is relevant and should be included in the article, but it is so long ago now in internet terms we are limited in what we can reference. One of the main problems is that the mainstream press doesn't carry reports on snooker anymore so you're basically left with the BBC and the WSA site for all the news and quotes. The WSA bless them revamped the site last year and scrapped everything up to that point. BBC news stories stay up for years, but unfortunately they only tend to focus on tournaments they are carrying which are the Grand Prix, UK, Masters and WC. The British Open was on Sky so I doubt we will track down any of the stories about that. The best bet for referencing Maguire's UK win is the BBC which carried the tournament. Betty Logan (talk) 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I've edited the page now, and included links so I think everything's sorted now.

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I'll be taking at this! — Ghost River 22:13, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox and lede[edit]

Birth date needs a citation
- Cited in body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"reaching the final of that event twice more." → "and has twice since reached the finals of that event.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Career[edit]

Early career[edit]

"1999 UK Championship before being defeated" → "1999 UK Championship, where he was defeated"
Comma after "2000 World Snooker Championship"
a result the BBC described as a "surprise" This can probably be paraphrased
commented on that he couldn't believe how badly his opponents had played against him This, on the contrary, should probably have the direct quote
"claiming that "he had never"" → "claiming that he had "never""
"In the final Maguire met Higgins" → "Maguire met Higgins in the final"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UK Championship winner[edit]

Per the Wiktionary page, "en route" does not need to be italicized
"number 24 to third" → "24th to third" OR "number 24 to number three"
"The following 2005–06 snooker season Maguire" → "During the 2005–06 snooker season, Maguire"
"on-route" → "en route"
"first Maximum break" → "first maximum break"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2009-2012[edit]

Is there a descriptive subhead we can use here?
"before he lost to Ding Junhui" → "before losing to Ding Junhui"
"three Century breaks" → "three century breaks"
"hadn't practiced" → "had not practiced"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Open champion[edit]

Some POV issues throughout the second paragraph, but e victim of one of the biggest shocks in the history of the tournament as he lost 9–10 to the charismatic Thai player. is probably the most egregious
Comma after "was the Shanghai Masters"
with the Australian calling the table unplayable after the match. I don't know what this means
Afterwards, Maguire described his season as one from hell and said he was glad it was over. provide direct quote
However, he failed to advance beyond the second round in the three major ranking events following Wuxi and when Maguire lost 4–1 to Trump in the opening round of the Champion of Champions he hinted at retiring from the game. Not technically a run-on but might as well be
"continued his ~~recent~~ resurgence"
Maguire stated that he had regained his confidence and it would take something special to stop him. Provide direct quote for the something special part
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline in form[edit]

Is "youngsters" the professional term?
"He finished a campaign outside of the top 16 for the first time since 2004, as he was 18th." → "His 18th-place campaign was the first time that Maguire finished outside of the top 18 since 2004."
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UK Championship final[edit]

with wins including Joe Perry and Kyren Wilson Is this common phrasing in the snooker scene, or should the word "against" be in there somewhere?
- yeah, either wins over players such as.... or wins including over/against... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"but this time losing" → "but this time lost"
Maguire won the 2019 Six-red World Championship for the second time Uh, I'm assuming that he couldn't win the 2019 championship twice, since it only occurred once
but Ding was proven to be too strong awkward phrasing
Hyphen to en dash in "3-10"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rivalry[edit]

"let him get it" → "allowed him to retrieve it"

Personal life[edit]

in their clash in the change one of the "in"s to "during"

Performance and rankings timeline[edit]

Good

Career finals[edit]

Good

References[edit]

"snooker.org" inconsistently used as work/publication
References 23-25 are incomplete
Change [111] to title case per MOS:ALLCAPS
Metro flares up red for me as an unreliable source, but is only used for basic factual information, not tabloid-esque reporting
[119] and [122] need to be updated with the actual reference information, not just archival info

General comments[edit]

Images are properly licensed and relevant
No stability concerns in the revision history
Apart from a mirror site, Earwig score looks good

Putting on hold to allow nominator to address comments. As always, please feel free to ping me with questions, and let me know when you're finished! — Ghost River 18:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Hi GhostRiver, apologies for the delay, I've been a little unwell, I will get to this when I can. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:58, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you for letting me know. Happy to hold the nomination open as needed. — Ghost River 17:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Lee Vilenski It has been almost a month. Would you like to work on these improvements, or would it be better to fail the article for now and let you resubmit when you feel more inclined? — Ghost River 17:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Sorry for the delay. I've been steadily getting better. I see that most of these things were already fixed, but I've been through and got the bits that weren't. thanks for your help with this one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GhostRiver and Lee Vilenski: As you can see, I'm busy blitzing the citations. Hope you don't mind me stepping in. I can do a quick copyedit today too. Would be nice to get this to GA before end of year! Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GhostRiver and Lee Vilenski: I've finished now. Please can you check it's OK for GA. Thanks, Rodney Baggins (talk) 18:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything looks good now, thank you Lee Vilenski for getting back to that and Rodney Baggins for your additional work. Passing now. — Ghost River 16:52, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]