Talk:Stevin John/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

August 2019

A Controversial section could be added, keeping the tone neutral. Basiliskia (talk) 16:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Please change as per the request below

The page is about the channel, so requesting changes to reflect the focus on the channel and not the man. I am requesting changes in layout so that the channel's history comes first and then comes the background of the man behind the channel. Retaining the negative information with references, removing irrelevant content and adding some latest information with verified references found on Google.

Edit request

Section From To Infobox Also known as - Blippi, Steezy Grossman, Stephen J. Grossman Subscribers 4.5 million+ Total views 2.34 billion+ Also known as - Blippi, Steezy Grossman Subscribers 4.5 million+ (2019) Total views 4.1 billion+ (May 2019) Lead paragraph Stevin John (born May 27, 1988), born Stephen J. Grossman and better known by his alias Blippi, is an American children's entertainer and educator on YouTube and Amazon Video. The Blippi videos are intended to be educational and appeal to young children, as John's Blippi character is portrayed with a childlike, energetic and curious persona; always dressed with his blue and orange beanie cap, blue shirt, orange suspenders and a bow tie. John was also revealed as a former gross out comedian, known as Steezy Grossman, who gained viral noteriety for defecating on his friend and which has incited some controversy towards his current status as a children's entertainer. Blippi is a children’s YouTube channel and character created by Stevin John (a.k.a. Blippi). He is known as an American children's entertainer and educator on YouTube and Amazon Video. The Blippi videos are intended to be educational and appeal to young children, as John's Blippi character is portrayed with a childlike, energetic and curious persona; always dressed with his blue and orange beanie cap, blue shirt, orange suspenders and a bow tie. Blippi Section name: Blippi The idea for Blippi came to Stevin John after moving back to Ellensburg, and witnessing his then two year old nephew viewing low-quality videos on YouTube. Blippi has been described as, "an adult human man who dresses up in bright clothes and dances around America’s deserted soft play centres for the benefit of YouTube". The first Blippi video was published on January 27, 2014, with John starring as Blippi and doing all of the filming, editing and graphics himself on the initial videos. Taking inspiration from children's educators and entertainers before him, such as Mr. Rogers, John wished to portray Blippi as educational, but also as thinking and acting as a child would, stating: "Blippi to me is a heightened energy, a different version of me, but as a child. Whenever I am thinking about what videos I should make, what Blippi should do, I think about what I would have wanted to do when I was a child. And I always, always, want children to feel like Blippi is their friend." The videos would eventually garner a huge following with over a billion views on YouTube, with an entire team of creative talent now behind the show. The team behind Blippi would also begin producing videos in Spanish, establish Blippi Toys, and begin offering DVDs and digital downloads from the Blippi website. Although Blippi's childlike demeanor has met with much success from children, some parents have questioned the simplistic nature of the character in regards his tone and repetitive songs about things such as garbage trucks, fire trucks and pizza. John has also been an active participant in the Make-A Wish Foundation, with his Blippi character frequently requested by children. Section name: History The idea for Blippi came to Stevin John after moving back to Ellensburg, and witnessing his then two year old nephew viewing low-quality videos on YouTube. The first Blippi video was published on January 27, 2014, with John starring as Blippi and doing all of the filming, editing and graphics himself on the initial videos. Taking inspiration from children's educators and entertainers before him, such as Mr. Rogers, John wished to portray Blippi as educational, but also as thinking and acting as a child would, stating: "Blippi to me is a heightened energy, a different version of me, but as a child. Whenever I am thinking about what videos I should make, what Blippi should do, I think about what I would have wanted to do when I was a child. And I always, always, want children to feel like Blippi is their friend." The Blippi channel expanded to videos in Spanish, Blippi Toys channel, and DVDs and digital downloads from the Blippi website. Although Blippi's childlike demeanor has met with much success from children, some parents have questioned the simplistic nature of the character in regards his tone and repetitive songs about things such as garbage trucks, fire trucks and pizza. Blippi has been described as, "an adult human man who dresses up in bright clothes and dances around America’s deserted soft play centres for the benefit of YouTube". John has also been an active participant in the Make-A-Wish Foundation, with his Blippi character frequently requested by children. By May 2017, the show had become one of Amazon Prime’s top 100 all-time streamed self-published shows. The channel had signed a deal with Jazwares in May 2019 to create a toy line for Blippi and took on Printers Row Publishing Group (PRPG) as a publishing partner. Background and Steezy Grossman Please combine two sections: Background and Steezy Grossman Stevin John grew up "surrounded by tractors, cows and horses", in Ellensburg, Washington, and has stated that as a child he wished to be a limousine driver and a fighter pilot. John has a background in brand development, digital content creation and online marketing, and has worked as a dishwasher, courtesy clerk, waiter, SEO Specialist, cameraman and is a former US Air Force serviceman, serving as a C-17 Loadmaster with the 4th Nuclear Airlift Squadron. John chose not to re-enlist in the military and moved to Los Angeles, California, to begin his career in internet marketing and video creation. John initially started making gross-out videos under the persona of Steezy Grossman, a boy born as poop resulting from anal intercourse. Under his Steezy Grossman alias, John developed videos such as "Turdboy" and "Underwear Man". In a 2013 video John performed the Harlem shake on a toilet and defecated on a naked friend. In a 2013 interview, John said that the feces was real and true and stated, "I think it's funny. That’s the reason why I like shit in films and shit: 'cause shit is funny." When the video was unearthed by Buzzfeed in 2019, John said, "at the time, I thought this sort of thing was funny, but really it was stupid and tasteless, and I regret having ever done it." John has been criticized for using DMCA takedown notices to hide the video. As of 2019, the Harlem Shake poop video is not readily available, but still can be found on the Internet. There are, however, numerous reaction videos to it on youtube. Section name: Background John grew up in Ellensburg, Washington. He has a background in brand development, digital content creation, online marketing and is a former US Air Force serviceman. He moved to Los Angeles, California, to begin his career in internet marketing and video creation. He initially started making videos such as "Turdboy" and "Underwear Man". In a 2013 video, he performed the Harlem shake on a toilet and defecated on a naked friend. When the video was unearthed by Buzzfeed in 2019, John said, "at the time, I thought this sort of thing was funny, but really it was stupid and tasteless, and I regret having ever done it." John has been criticized for using DMCA takedown notices to hide the video. As of 2019, the Harlem Shake poop video is no longer available online. The video has incited some controversy towards his current status as a children's entertainer. References

COI disclosures for the request - -YutaMales (talk) 14:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Editing previous change request in parts

Edit request

Section From To Infobox Also known as - Blippi, Steezy Grossman, Stephen J. Grossman Subscribers 4.5 million+ Total views 2.34 billion+ Also known as - Blippi, Steezy Grossman Subscribers 4.5 million+ (2019) Total views 4.1 billion+ (May 2019) Lead paragraph Stevin John (born May 27, 1988), born Stephen J. Grossman and better known by his alias Blippi, is an American children's entertainer and educator on YouTube and Amazon Video. The Blippi videos are intended to be educational and appeal to young children, as John's Blippi character is portrayed with a childlike, energetic and curious persona; always dressed with his blue and orange beanie cap, blue shirt, orange suspenders and a bow tie. John was also revealed as a former gross out comedian, known as Steezy Grossman, who gained viral noteriety for defecating on his friend and which has incited some controversy towards his current status as a children's entertainer. Blippi is a children’s YouTube channel and character created by Stevin John (a.k.a. Blippi). The Blippi videos are intended to be educational and appeal to young children, as John's Blippi character is portrayed with a childlike, energetic and curious persona; always dressed with his blue and orange beanie cap, blue shirt, orange suspenders and a bow tie. John is known as an American children's entertainer and educator on YouTube and Amazon Video. He has gained viral notoreity due to his former off-colour humour leading to a debate about him being a children's entertainer. References

Explanation: The page is about the channel, so requesting changes to reflect the focus on the channel and not the man. I have re-written, instead of deleting, bias content that needs to be written neutrally. Also, have added reference next to the figures mentioned. YutaMales (talk) 14:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Reply 24-OCT-2019

  Edit request declined  

• The only 2 changes sought with this request are the following items:

1. Change in the number of "views" from 2.34 billion to 4.1 billion. Reason for decline: the figure 4.1 billion does not appear in the provided reference. See WP:V.
2. Addition of the phrase "John is known as an American children's entertainer and educator" Reason for decline: the claim is not specifically referenced, thus whom this is known by with regards to being a children's entertainer and educator has not been established. Since it cannot be established through references whom it is who knows him under these descriptions, it cannot be stated using Wikipedia's voice that he is "known as" these descriptions. See WP:AWW.

Regards,  Spintendo  11:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Notes

BLP Issues and WP:UNDUE

I have reviewed the Steezy Grossman video currently hosted on a Russian Website where John alleged to be depicted defecating on another male who is lying in a contorted position (the original video on Youtube has been deleted). The video certainly could be described as shocking (an understatement). One problem with this particular video is verifying that the person in the video is in fact John. The person who is defecating is wearing a helmet and facing side view only away from the camera in such a way that it's impossible to accurately identify the video in question and that person to be the same as Blippi (John). The sources provided seem reliable, but I wonder if this content is WP:UNDUE and runs afoul of WP:BLP. The way the current section on Steezy Grossman is worded seems intentionally written to embarrass and humiliate the subject of the bio. I think mentioning his involvement in producing shock videos meets the bar for inclusion, but mentioning one particular video seems undue to me, particularly since the video in question does not with certainty identify John as Blippi. The person in the Harlem Shake Poop video is wearing a helmet and has very long hair compared to Blippi. I think this section needs to be toned down and some of it's WP:OR statements needs removal. Comments? Octoberwoodland (talk) 05:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Multiple reliable sources deemed that particular video notable. They also include coverage on the reactions of the subject which regretted doing it. I don´t see an issue with making edits to improve WP:NPOV or with removing any clear WP:OR but given the amount of coverage that the video event received I don't think that removal is justified. I would recommend however, keeping it only on the Steezy Grossman section and removing it from the lead, after reaching a consensus here. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I have removed some WP:UNDUE statements and a claim not backed by the referencing source. I propose, if there are no objections, removing ", who gained viral notoriety for defecating on his friend and which has incited some controversy towards his current status as a children's entertainer." from the lead. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits to clean up the Steeze Grossman section. As per your recommendation, I have removed the WP:UNDUE content from the article lede. Octoberwoodland (talk) 20:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

No problem, but the idea was to give some time for other editors to participate in case there are arguments to oppose removing the content on the lead. In any case, my proposal was to remove just the mention of the defecating video and the claim about controversy and his status as child entertainer, but not fully removing any mention of Steezy Grossman or his involvement in producing gross out videos from the lead. I have restored that part and left out what I proposed to remove. If any editor objects they can restore the content deleted from the lead and explain their arguments to oppose the removal. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 07:58, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Looks good, great work. The changes are a reasonable compromise which respect the right of the subject of the bio to a balanced, well sourced article which is written in a neutral manner while still providing all the notable and relevant coverage of the subject of the bio. The only change I would suggest is removing Steezy Grossman from the YouTube infobox. The steezy grossman videos do not appear on youtube and that infobox is specifically for youtube only content. What are your thoughts about that. Octoberwoodland (talk) 20:14, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't think that the infobox should exclude information not directly related to YouTube. The infobox gives a quick summary at a glance of the bio. The subject was also known as Steezy Grossman so to me it feels strange leaving that out. On the other hand, however, in this particular template the pseudonyms appear bellow the YouTube information heading, which could imply that direct relation. If more editors also think it should be removed I will not oppose to the change. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 21:41, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment of the YouTube infobox. The only item left is to include a photo of Blippi in the infobox. I will locate one and tag it as fair use for the article infobox and upload it. Octoberwoodland (talk) 23:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Photo added. Octoberwoodland (talk) 00:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Great, Thank you. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 12:40, 7 November 2019 (UTC)