Talk:Straight Outta Compton/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Capitalization

Since both "out" and "of" are prepositions, and "outta" is an amalgamation of those two words, wouldn't it make sense if the first letter of "outta" in the article title were miniscule? 70.48.250.147 (talk) 05:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Short answer: probably not. A quick review of the sources shows that they used this capitalization, so there is precedent for it to be capitalized the way it is. You make an interesting point though, I don't see anything in the naming conventions that seems to apply here, since this is not a "real" English word. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I go with the American version of the English language. "Outta" should be lowercase. Album-cover typography and copy editing is vurtually nonexistent. Peace. —MuzikJunky (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

"Outta" is also five letters long, meaning that it would normally be capitalized no matter what. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 09:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Genres?

• There has been a lot of editing of the genres in the infobox lately, so it seems some discussion is in order. I'm not sure what the relevant policy might be. Obviously, this album is hip hop, but that is more of a parent genre to the various sub-genres that this could also be reasonably classified as, namely West Coast hip hop, Golden age hip hop, and especially Gangsta rap. Seeing as this is one of the defining albums of the gangsta sub-genre, it seems like that is an obvious keeper, not sure if the other two are necessary in the infobox or not.Beeblebrox (talk) 00:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• After doing a little poking around, N.W.A is specifically mentioned in the articles on Golden age and gangsta styles. I checked out the genre WikiProject only to discover it became inactive some time ago, so no help there. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

My fault for being too brief; I used to get the same warnings bout genres and subgenres, especially in hip hop album articles. As I've seen, a lot of admin. editors are changing the subgenre label (ex. East Coast, Gangsta, Mafiaso) to just "hip hop". That's all I meant. Dan56 (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that is sufficient reason in this case, especially given that this is such an important album in the development of gangsta rap. Could you maybe contact some of these other editors and ask them to comment here? I can't seem to find anything in policy or guidelines that mentions this sort of thing. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The generalization of genres only applies to biographies, as instructed on the template (for example, the article about N.W.A should list only hip hop, which it doesn't do, apparently). I actually brought this issue of generalization in album articles here. As long as the genres are sourced by a reliable source, I don't see any problem of using subgenres (take a look at What's the 411?, an article I've worked on as an example). — Σxplicit 03:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, it's best to keep genre as general as possible for the main band's article. But it's alright to cite it for more specific albums. Having the album labeled hip-hop for now should be acceptable, while the article genre or style section can explain how it fits into a more specific genre such as gangsta rap. Perhaps it should be noted in this article that tracks like "Something 2 Dance 2" do not really fall under the umbrella of the style. Although there are no rules for genre I can see set in stone from WP:Albums or "Template:Infobox Album", it's best to be bold and find proper citations from reliable sources when citing these types of items. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic's page on the album lists gangsta rap, west coast rap, and golden age as genres, so they're verifiable enough to be included here. And there's nothing on the template that requires generalization. Bottom line: as long as it's verifiable, we can keep it in. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone asked me to vote, and I say gangsta hip-hop and plain hip-hop as genres because of their wiki pages, which explain the subject comprehensively. Peace. —MuzikJunky (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

This album is definitely a gangsta rap & G-Funk album, as it is already mentioned, explained, & sourced among the article. So these two should be included. Also this album falls under subgenre West Coast hip hop, more precise & specific than just "Hip hop". And since it was produced & released during Golden age hip hop era, was a groundbreaker that went on to have an enormous impact and significant influence on the evolution of both Golden age hip hop and West Coast hip hop so that should be mentioned as well. -peace HipHopSavior (talk) 11:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Could you provide a link for this being G-funk? Other than maybe "Express Yourself" there's not much funk influence on this album. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

If there's too much fuss over the genres, just go with plain old "Hip hop". It has the benefit of covering all the subgenres and will save editors a lot of grief. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Chicago Tribune review

Transcription of Chicago Tribune review (13.A. July 13, 1989) using Google News Advanced Archive search:

Now that Public Enemy has broken up, these California militants are the hottest, most controversial rap group in the country. NWA's sound is fuller and funkier (embellished with keyboards and horns) than the minimal beat-box style of East Coast rap. But the lyrics are just as unforgiving as Public Enemy's. "Straight" is a ghetto diary: It describes police sweeps, gangbanging and drive-by shootings with shocking dispassion. In songs such as "Gangsta Gangsta" and "Dopeman," the gun is the only law, the street corner is the only place open for business and violence is as matter-of-fact as breathing.

— Greg Kot

Dan56 (talk) 10:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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20th Anniversary

I know that it is probably what the source says, but if it was released in 1988, then how exactly is 2007 the 20th anniversary?--75.80.43.80 (talk) 07:31, 7 March 2011 (UTC)