Talk:Surface condenser

A fact from Surface condenser appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 November 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a condenser is used to condense steam from a steam turbine to obtain maximum efficiency?

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Untitled[edit]

Removed by user and converted to article. --Dore chakravarty 05:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

A couple of references would be in order.
A more appropriate title would be Condenser in Steam turbine or even more appropiately Condenser (Steam turbine). -- Gurubrahma 05:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK Blurb[edit]

.... that a Condenser-steam turbine is used to condense steam from a steam turbine to obtain maximum efficiency? (suggested pic - Image:Dores-Cond-diag1.png) -- Gurubrahma 05:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK Blurb-- What is this is not clear to me. Your renaming is noted and will be done. Please suggest how done? Hope will not effect links. Thanks.

--Dore chakravarty 07:37, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed[edit]

Hi, I have renamed the article to Condenser (Steam turbine). I have preferred this over the other title as this seems to be the preferred way of naming articles in Wikipedia. The renaming has been done using the move button on the top of the page. I have preferred move over redirect as this is a new article and as per the norms listed on WP:MM. None of the links have been affected as I have checked for double redirects as well. btw, I have added this article's entry on Condenser, a disambiguation page. --Gurubrahma 14:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this article be more generalized? Condensers are used in refrigeration systems as well, but there is currently no article pertaining to that specific use (which is much more common) in the disambiguation page. I'd suggest making this article (and title) more general, with sub-sections for steam turbine use, refrigeration use, etc. Drewery 18:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drewery, you are correct in that there are many types of condensers and many condensing applications. But as it says in the first paragraph of this article, surface condensers are a special breed of condensers that operate at pressures below atmospheric pressure (i.e., at vacuum pressure conditions). Surface condensers are equipped with vacuum ejector systems and are used primarily on the exhaust steam from very large steam turbines. Exhausting the steam at very low vacuum pressures increases the efficiency of the turbines.

This article is fairly long as it stands. Trying to include all other condenser types and applications would make it excessively long. A better suggestion is to create another article devoted to refrigeration condensers if you think that such an article would be useful. I might add that Wikipedia has an article devoted to Heat exchangers in general and it includes a section on HVAC systems. Regards, - mbeychok 19:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mbeychok, You're right. I just thought it was a little silly when I looked at the disambiguation page for "condenser", and didn't find a single link to the type of condenser the general population is most familiar with (the condenser used in refrigeration), and figured this article might be close enough. Hopefully someone will create a separate page for "refrigeration condensers", or at least get a link to heat exchangers/HVAC over on the disambiguation page. I'm still a wikipedia newbie, but I'll see if I can get the ball rolling... Drewery 21:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drewery, I added a link on the condenser disambiguation page to the Air coil section of the Heat exchanger article. But I think that is only a partial solution to your concern. I still think a new article on refrigeration condensers would be very helpful. - mbeychok —Preceding comment was added at 22:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why the name of this page was changed back. This is a condenser that collapses steam into water. I certainly don't see anything on the page that would require the title "Surface". I propose the page be renamed "Condenser (Steam)" or similar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.44.238.110 (talk) 05:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Used on the Engineering Wiki[edit]

Author User:Dore chakravarty has (with suitable acknowledgment) copied the article to http://engineering.wikicities.com/wiki/Condenser_%28Steam_turbine%29 and says he will be writing more there. There seem to be few engineers contributing here. So - engineers - try a specialist wiki (and meet Angela again)! Robin Patterson 07:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Direct Contact Condenser[edit]

I'd like to add a section about direct-contact and jet condensers used in many steam systems, including electric generation but the way this article is labeled, there is only one type for generation and that is shell-and-tube. A possible solution is renaming this article shell-and-tube, or making it into a more general article that allows other types of condensers to be used in generating plants. Rtdrury 17:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC) loo[reply]

Deaerating[edit]

There needs to be an image update and information on deaerating condensers. Most new power plants do not have a contact (open) deaerating feed heater. They rely entirely on the deaeration occurring in the hotwell under the condenser. Wefoij 20:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wefoij: If the latest large power plants use surface condensers with deareating hotwells as you say, then please feel free to add a new section describing such surface condensers and providing additional images. However, since a very great many existing power plants are using surface condensers and deaerators as currently described in those articles, please do not change the current descriptions or images. Regards, - mbeychok 21:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See no reason for two diagrams of a surface condenser[edit]

I see no reason for having two diagrams of a surface diagram ... and one of them should be removed. The second one (in the "Protection from corrosion" section) is not required and should be the one to remove. It includes unnecessary details like the concrete support pads and springs, expansion joints and other such mechanical details that are much more than needed to show how a surface condenser operates. The cathodic protection against corrosion by using sacrificial anodes of zinc is clearly and adequately explained in the text ... and it is "overkill" to include another condenser diagram just to show where the zinc anodes are placed. mbeychok (talk) 20:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MAIN PUPOSE OF CONDENSER[edit]

It is mainly used for condensation means conversion of steam to water.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.249.133.194 (talk) 10:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

contact condenser[edit]

Condenser ANKIT AGRAHARI (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-flow ?[edit]

heat exchanger mentions cross-flow, and the diagram here looks like cross flow. Could article confirm that most/all surface condensers are cross-flow ? - Rod57 (talk) 09:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]