Talk:Survivor: Cagayan

Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty

Jeff Probst made a great deal about the Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty subtitle being part of the official title of the next Survivor series as shown in the screen capture at [1] and is backed up by the journalistic citation from the Hollywood Reporter. Steelbeard1 (talk) 02:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Saying something to highlight the twist is not at all the same thing as saying the title. Jeff Probst didn't breathe a single word about the title of the season, let alone say that "Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty" was part of it. The words flashed on screen to emphasize the twist and they were mostly over the logo, but as demonstrated in the picture used on the article, they're not actually a part of the logo. Someone from The Hollywood Reporter also mistakenly believing its part of the title and posting that online doesn't make it accurate. 10:16, 17 December 2003 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.141.232 (talk)

It was included in the CBS promo on the logo. There's no better source than that. It's the same as Micronesia: Fan vs. Favorites for example. Whether or not someone from THR is "mistakenly believing" it or not is merely your opinion. Gloss • talk 05:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

"Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty" was OVER the logo, not ON the logo. This is not a matter of anyone's opinion. 09:13, 18 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.141.232 (talk)

The first two sources I see are indeed interpreted, one is a video that shows the wording over the logo (It is not even within parameters like heros vs villians) while the other has someone mention it. This source however: [2] the third one listed in the article, has "CBS has announced this spring's 28th edition of Survivor will be titled Survivor: Cagayan -- Brawn vs Brains vs Beauty." right in the first sentence. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

In the Amazon's reunion this is the image they showed to preview Pearl Islands. Was Pearl Islands called Survivor: Pearl Islands — Panama? No, I didn't think so. Totaldramaman (talk · contribs) 21:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

A CBS news release also confirms the subtitle, but the headline twisted it around. [3] Steelbeard1 (talk) 14:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Because the alternate logo utilizing the Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty subtitle is still being used after the merge into one tribe, I decided to upload that logo. Steelbeard1 (talk) 02:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Tribes

The tribes for this season are Luzon, Aparri and Solana.

Luzon tribe is teal, Aparri tribe is Orange and Solana tribe is Purple. ApprenticeFan ^work 08:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Once CBS or any other reliable source announces this, we can include it. Until then it's best to leave it off. Gloss • talk 08:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Where are the tribe colors sourced to? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

The entertainment weekly gallery posted today - currently the 7th source on the page. Gloss • talk 19:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

The merged tribe color is solid black as seen in next episode's preview. ApprenticeFan ^work 13:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Preloading tables, especially Voting History

I have removed again the preloading of the Voting History table. With the premiere nearly a month away, there is no point in having an empty table in the article. In my opinion, the preloading of any of the tables is not helpful as it provides no information since the cells are empty and can actually cause more work when the time arrives to fill in the cells than if the column/row was not there.

Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. Every season, it seems that somebody wants to preload the tables either pre-season or in-season. It isn't helpful. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 10:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. No need for blank tables, they should be added when the season starts and information can be put into them. Gloss • talk 23:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Need new logo

The logo for this Survivor season has been changed replacing the words Outwit, Outlast, Outplay with Brawn, Brains, Beauty to reflect the show's subtitle. Can someone upload the revised logo? Thank you. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Every result from web searches show the logo we currently have. Where are you getting your information from? Gloss • talk 22:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

From the TV broadcast yesterday. Did someone get a screen capture? Steelbeard1 (talk) 00:08, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

There is nothing online. If you can find something I may have missed, feel free to link it here and we'll go from there. But this logo seems to be the official season's logo. Gloss • talk 00:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess we should all look at the logo during the next show. Steelbeard1 (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Well looking at the logo will do us no good if there isn't even a copy of the image online.. Gloss • talk 00:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

If only there someone with a TV card in the computer who can capture the image... Steelbeard1 (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not the official logo, it's just the promotional image that was used for the "Stay tuned for scenes from our next episode..." segment. Many seasons have that. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 21:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

rating

the rating was 9.62 million viewers for epi 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.96.178 (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Jeff confirmed Tribal Swap

Jeff confirmed that the current three-tribe configuration is dead in the next episode. He told them to drop buffs and that Brains/Beauty/Brain is over. Enough to prove swapped tribes. Since it has been well-established previews from CBS (and even Jeff's social media) are reliable sources, (See last season's talk page Talk:Survivor:_Blood_vs._Water and Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_111#Proposed_amendment_to_WP:SPOILERS), I was trying to put in the swapped tribe columns, but I was reverted twice. Someone please help me here. Tomorrow or the day after, CBS will probably be posting new previews as well. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:36, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Plain and simple.. you have no source that specifically states "there will be a tribe switch". If you did, the information could be added in prose form, but until then.. there should not be an empty column in that table. Once we know the new tribe names if there is a mix up, then that column can be added. Gloss • talk 01:41, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Consensus has tolerated empty cells ([4], here is one example). See the village pump discussion linked above. A Survivor preview is reliable and verifiable, and using a preview to layout a tribal swap is not violation of any policy. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Empty cells are no problem. Empty columns is what I said. You'll see that in my comment above. Using a preview to layout a tribe swap is not in violation of policy IF you have a preview that shows a tribe swap. So far, you don't have that. Gloss • talk 01:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

That is just your opinion, other users have gone with that much information and have had been fine with blank Swapped Tribe and Merged Tribe columns. I do not know if this is your first time editing a Survivor season page as it airs, but generally from my experience users are fine with empty swapped tribe and empty merged tribe columns, and have been fine to go on as little as "Drop your buffs" and "X and Y [and Z] are no more". Also, just because the source is not on the net yet, does not mean it is invalid, just hard to cite. The whole episode is not on the net yet, but that does not mean it is not a source Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Response to [5] that I was told to put here:. Yes and consensus from past seasons has decided that this much information IS verifiable. You disagreement is one policy interpretation and is disagreement with consensus. Consensus is a policy as well. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:12, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Preview video in question: [6]. It is pretty unambiguous. Past season consensus has been this meets verifiability. Just because one user disagrees does not mean it is the truth. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 04:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Dalton Ross' weekly questions for Probst explicitly confirms tribe swap (i.e., a reliable and verifiable since it came straight from Jeff). The following has been added to lead per above. I will avoid adding the column until we get new previews leaking tribes. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

“ The Brains vs. Brawn vs. Beauty twist concluded with a tribe switch in the fourth episode. ”

I would have listed a specific day, but we don't know that yet. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC) A speculative edit was made saying it was day 12. While likely, we don't know that, so I reverted. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:41, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Ignore previous comment, I missed something that Gloss read. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Thegreyanomaly. The preview for the next episode indicates that there will be a tribe swap. Jeff never tells castaways to drop their buffs - as he did in the preview - unless a tribe swap or merge is occurring. The preview for the next episode is precisely the same in nature to previews in pretty much every season of episodes where a tribe swap or merge happens. Whichever is happening, it is quite reasonable to flag this on the Survivor Cagayan Wikipedia page by adding a column to the first table. It could be labelled "new tribe" for now so that it's not factually wrong, because that reflects the fact that tribes will at the very least be altered in the upcoming episode. It doesn't matter that the name would get changed to reflect the actual nature of the tribe change. Incidentally, the episode 2 summary says Brice and Morgan lobbied Jeremiah to vote out Brice. In fact Brice wasn't lobbying for his own ousting but that of Alexis. I would have changed that myself had someone not made the page semi-protected, maybe because of the issue debated in this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.16.17 (talk) 06:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't exactly like the phrase "The Brains vs. Brawn vs. Beauty twist concluded..." because it's not really gonna end next week. U still have the same individual contestants competing against one another who were originally selected on the brawn, brain, and beauty criteria. Thus, even if those groups r no longer segregated into their own tribes, it's still "Brains vs. Brawn vs. Beauty". Just like in Cook Islands, Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Caramoan, and Blood vs. Water, tribal desegregation/integration doesn't officially end the season's twist; it just makes it more complex. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 07:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, Jeff Probst specifically says that it is over in the episode 4 preview. [7]. Jeff is pretty official. The twist is having tribes divided by that, but that is no longer true. If alliances born from the twist persist through the rest of season, so be-it. Last season, the twist was far more complex (since they could still switch at RI through the whole game). Thegreyanomaly (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, the twist isn't the tribes being divided by that criteria, but rather the individual castaways being selected based on that criteria. Initially, the contestants r segregated into their own tribes, and later they r integrated. Whether alliances born from the twist persist throughout the game is irrelevant, because it's still a competition in which there can only be one winner. In the end, either a Brawn, Brain, or Beauty will outwit, outplay, and outlast all the others. That's what the twist is: which castaway, originally selected by that criteria, will eventually become the Sole Survivor? Do u see what I'm saying? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

But respectfully, your opinion is irrelevant. A reliable, verifiable source has indicated the twist "is no more". You don't know anything about how they cast the groups. They could have cast them as they normally do and then just figured to divide them BBB after they came up with the idea, I mean isn't that what they did with Heroes vs. Villains? In every season there have been players from each B that have played different ways to the end; this season is no special in that regard other than the original tribal configurations. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

@Gloss: @Gogo Dodo: @ApprenticeFan: @Katanin: @Masem: u guys got any thoughts on this? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 19:15, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Can't we just say "the Brains vs. Brawn vs. Beauty tribe division concluded" instead of "twist concluded"? Gloss • talk 19:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

@Thegreyanomaly: I don't think that's the way they did Heroes vs. Villains. They set out originally to pit 10 heroes against 10 villains. They were divided into their own tribes at first, integrated later, and in the end, a Villain ultimately outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted all the others. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 19:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

You ask for my opinion and then ignore it :P - if this conflict is over the word choice... I'm fairly confident my solution will take care of it. Gloss • talk 19:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

No I wasn't ignoring your opinion. I was just clarifying the thing about Heroes vs. Villains. That's all. Yes I think that's a pretty good solution; it's kinda what I already had in mind. I'll change it and we'll see how it goes over. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 19:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

A "twist" is something thrown at the players in the midst of the game; the players knew they were divided into 6-person tribes from the onset (just not award off hand it was BvsBvsB). So saying it concludes the twist is not really right. The dissolving of these three tribes into (presumably) two is a twist on the other hand. --MASEM (t) 19:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh one thing I forgot about. I think Gloss' solution would work, but does it really need to go in the lead section? I mean, I think mentioning the episode in which a tribal swap takes place is kinda trivial for the lead. That's why I moved it to the episodes table in this edit Any thoughts on combining these two ideas? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

It will be covered in the episodes table once the episode airs and a summary is put up but it's also fair game to be mentioned in the contestants section. Gloss • talk 20:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I implemented the Gloss' suggestion in the contestants section. The text will be superfluous once we know enough to add the swapped tribe column (i.e., when CBS adds their second preview and/or pictures from episode 4) and can be removed then. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

@Totaldramaman: used the new preview to rightfully update the table. Looks like the original Luzon stuck together in the new Aparri. Anyways, this edit should stand, the preview does clearly show everything Totaldramaman put in. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 03:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

The Brains got really lucky. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 03:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Updates needed

Why hasn't anybody even written a summary for last week's episode yet?!?!? Is somebody falling down on the job or is there some discussion taking place that I don't know about? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 05:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

We're all volunteers here so it isn't somebody's job, per se. But the closest one whose "job" it is is me since I'm the one who usually writes them. I'm suffering a bit of burnout with Survivor articles at the moment so my enthusiasm for writing the summaries is rather low. Being the primary author of the summaries without much help is getting a bit old, though I certainly do appreciate the anonymous IP who wrote up the first episode. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2014

Please change the ratings/share 18-49 from 2.4/8 to 2.5/8 because episode's 3 rating/share 18-49 is 2.5/8. 68.107.154.138 (talk) 21:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the input! Survivorfan1995 (talk) 22:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Absorbed Tribes?

The tribes aren't being absorbed into each other, rather they're being disbanded. Or dissolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezendee (talk • contribs) 07:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with this. Perhaps @Totaldramaman: can provide his input here? Absorbing is to take something take in. So if we looked at All-Stars or Philippines... Saboga and Matsing were both absorbed. Just because we're going to less tribes doesn't make this an absorption since members of the two tribes are being switched as well. Gloss • talk 22:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Then Cooks and Panama should be switched rather than absorbed. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree, I'll make that change if your only reasoning for switching this one is per those two. Gloss • talk 22:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

It's the only reason I could have. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

One more thing though, last I remember some pages have the header as "Switched Tribes" while others have "Swapped Tribes." What's the difference between the two? ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't believe there is one. Switched seems to be the more-used term, though. Gloss • talk 22:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Somebody please add finale date.

The finale date is on May 21. 142.150.48.217 (talk) 17:46, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thank you! -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Votes are not unanimous !!

Is anyone else tired of reading how some elimination votes are "unanimous"? None of the votes are unanimous unless EVERYONE voting votes the same way. That includes the person voted out. Unless the person voted out voted for himself, the vote is not unanimous.

Fixed the wording 2/3 of the times it was used. The Brice re-vote was unanimous, as he didn't vote. Gloss • talk 18:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Of course, under the Survivor rules, a contestant cannot vote for himself. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

It's unanimous. The tribe is fully in agreement in voting a member out. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 21:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

When you have a tribe of n+1 people and the vote comes out as n to 1 for *Blank*, Jeff always refers to it as a unanimous decision. For example, he called the Alexis vote unanimous. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, if that's the wording people here prefer, I won't argue anymore. But the fact remains that is NOT what unanimous means; it means everyone who votes votes the same way. One more example of the degradation of the English language. --Jimtrue (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

u·nan·i·mous

yo͞oˈnanəməs

adjective

1. (of two or more people) fully in agreement.

Aparri, a tribe of six, were fully in agreement of taking Alexis, (unfortunately) no longer part of Aparri. It's unanimous. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 00:28, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I can understand both sides to this, but based off of Thegreyanomaly and Totaldramaman's comments, I'd more likely lead toward that opinion. But there are always other ways to word these things that can make for less controversy. Gloss • talk 03:38, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Idols Played section

I don't know if it's a good idea but I was wondering what all of your takes on it is.

Voting history

Voting history Original tribes Switched tribes Merged tribe Episode # 1 2 3 4 5 6 Day # 3 6 8 11 14 16 19 Eliminated David Garrett Tie2 Brice J'Tia Cliff Lindsey Alexis Sarah Votes 4–2 3–2 2–2–2 3–0–0 3–1 4–3 None4 6–1 6–5 Castaway Votes Jefra Brice Brice Cliff Sarah Jeremiah Morgan Brice Alexis Jefra Kass J'Tia Garrett J'Tia Alexis Sarah LJ Morgan Brice Cliff Sarah Morgan Alexis None3 Alexis Jefra Spencer David J'Tia J'Tia Alexis Jefra Tasha David Garrett J'Tia Alexis Jefra Tony Cliff Sarah Trish Cliff Sarah Woo LJ Sarah Sarah Alexis Jefra Alexis Brice None3 Jeremiah Lindsey LJ Cliff LJ J'Tia David Garrett Spencer Brice Alexis None3 Garrett David J'Tia David J'Tia Idols Played LJ Tony

Thoughts? ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 02:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, however, where it could get confusing is that Tony used his to protect LJ, and LJ used his to protect Tony. Since idols are not played during most tribal councils, perhaps a simple footnote would suffice. 209.90.140.72 (talk) 02:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Brawn vs Brains vs Beauty Survivor logo

Should the alternate Survivor logo which replaces Outwit, Outlast, Outplay with Braun, Brains, Beauty be utilized in the article. It is the same logo but they made a big deal about Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty subtitle. Steelbeard1 (talk) 02:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

This logo is also used in the Ponderosa videos at http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/qXrvuya8p6iMqzxZm1pyPwhWBGUM3arc/survivor-cagayan-sarah-arrives-at-ponderosa/ Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully before this logo gets tagged. Can someone capture the BvsBvsB logo and change the background to white? Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

From Gloss's advice, I had the patience to erase the dark background. How does it look? I already inserted it in the infobox. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:05, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

How many times do I have to say that this is not the official logo?? ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 14:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Then explain why what YOU SAY is NOT the official logo is used exclusively in the Ponderosa videos???? Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd vote against using this one right now. If there was a cleaner, official version then I'd be open to more discussion, but this is a low-quality version with poor, impartial background removal. Why opt for something like that when we have an official hi-res version? Also, usage in the Ponderosa videos doesn't merit inclusion since it's extra material to begin with. If it was used in the show proper, then maybe. - Katanin (talk) 22:17, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Of course, the BvsBvsB logo is used at the end of each episode so it IS used in the show proper. Steelbeard1 (talk) 04:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Regardless, do you have a hi-res version of the logo you'd like to use? Gloss • talk 05:00, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2014

the contestants were barefoot in the episode 7 immunity challenge

Eion0490nfdf90df3443df (talk) 04:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

high one thing must be fixed. In episode 7, the contestants were fully barefoot for the immunity challenge. Thought you should add it to the article. thanx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eion0490nfdf90df3443df (talk • contribs) 04:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor ^Sing 11:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

my sources are the episode. They are balancing a ball on their head using lifts from their barefeet. This info is on so many sites, to site just one site is dumb. Put it in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2:2380:128:448B:8E44:BD5B:9AC7 (talk) 19:37, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Can we have original tribes demarcated

It's hard to read the tribes a person has been in - Can we have some empty cells added to the left of the voting history that are filled in with the color of the tribes a person has belonged to previously? It makes the final tribe much easier to see where people have been beforehand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.96.22 (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I made a mockup of this, just to see what it would look like.

Voting history

Voting history Original tribes Switched tribes Merged tribe Episode # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Day # 3 6 8 11 14 16 19 22 Eliminated David Garrett Tie2 Brice J'Tia Cliff Lindsey Alexis Sarah Morgan Votes 4–2 3–2 2–2–2 3–0–0 3–1 4–3 None4 6–1 6–5 6–4 Castaway Votes Jefra Brice Brice Cliff Sarah Morgan Jeremiah Morgan Brice Alexis Jefra Tony Kass J'Tia Garrett J'Tia Alexis Sarah Morgan LJ Morgan Brice Cliff Sarah Morgan Spencer David J'Tia J'Tia Alexis Jefra Tony Tasha David Garrett J'Tia Alexis Jefra Tony Tony Cliff Sarah Morgan Trish Cliff Sarah Morgan Woo LJ Sarah Morgan Morgan Alexis None3 Alexis Jefra Tony Sarah Alexis Jefra Alexis Brice None3 Jeremiah Lindsey LJ Cliff LJ J'Tia David Garrett Spencer Brice Alexis None3 Garrett David J'Tia David J'Tia

Thoughts? Suggestions? The only other change I made was changing the alignment of the names from left to right so they still lined up with the pre-merge boots. - Katanin (talk) 22:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Support - I think some of the Survivor wikia pages do similar things. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 05:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Looks good, but why have the castaways names aligned right? Just feel like center or left would make more sense. Gloss • talk 12:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Support Although I agree with the comment by Gloss to center the names. Otherwise, it looks terrific. 209.90.140.72 (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Here's a left-aligned version based on the feedback. The only reason I swapped it to right was because the names don't perfectly line up on the left due to the pre-merge/swap boots not having as many tribe columns as the others, so the names are slightly off. I don't think center is necessary because there should be some sort of visual differentiation between the voter and the votes. If you guys don't find it to be irksome, then that's cool with me. - Katanin (talk) 00:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Voting history

Voting history Original tribes Switched tribes Merged tribe Episode # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Day # 3 6 8 11 14 16 19 22 Eliminated David Garrett Tie2 Brice J'Tia Cliff Lindsey Alexis Sarah Morgan Votes 4–2 3–2 2–2–2 3–0–0 3–1 4–3 None4 6–1 6–5 6–4 Castaway Votes Jefra Brice Brice Cliff Sarah Morgan Jeremiah Morgan Brice Alexis Jefra Tony Kass J'Tia Garrett J'Tia Alexis Sarah Morgan LJ Morgan Brice Cliff Sarah Morgan Spencer David J'Tia J'Tia Alexis Jefra Tony Tasha David Garrett J'Tia Alexis Jefra Tony Tony Cliff Sarah Morgan Trish Cliff Sarah Morgan Woo LJ Sarah Morgan Morgan Alexis None3 Alexis Jefra Tony Sarah Alexis Jefra Alexis Brice None3 Jeremiah Lindsey LJ Cliff LJ J'Tia David Garrett Spencer Brice Alexis None3 Garrett David J'Tia David J'Tia

• Support I think this looks better. Good idea. 209.90.140.72 (talk) 01:52, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Definitely like it better in this version. Gloss • talk 03:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Tony took it as a compliment...

The summary for "Bag of Tricks" says Tony took it as a compliment for playing hard. Not in the episode I saw. In fact he was quite angered and went into a tirade. Now, eventually, he calmed down and sarcastically thanked whomever voted for him, but initially he was pissed which is more important to state in the description. Later in the show Trish even mentione to Kass that Tony is still pissed. I propose that the summary needs to be changed to inform the reader of Tony's "True" response. "It's a compliment" was Tony being sarcastic. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

• The CBS recap, added just now, confirms that TONY IS UPSET. It’s night 22 and the Solarrion tribe is returning from Tribal Council, where they just voted out Morgan. Tony is upset that he received four votes at Tribal Council, which was j..... ```Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

You're allowed to change it yourself. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 00:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I know. I prefer to discuss first.```Buster Seven Talk 01:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done ```Buster Seven Talk 06:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Contestants Table

The contestants table right now doesn't look too good, to be honest.

In my opinion, it should either be brought back to the old format like the ones from previous seasons had or make a better looking one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.2.134 (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Season summary presumes final 3

The way the tables are setup, the page assumes that it is a final 3 when there is no certainty of that to my knowledge. Does anyone have a reliable source for this, or is it just supposition? According to Rob Cesternino and his website, there hasn't been a solid confirmation of whether it is final 2 or 3. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 03:31, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
[8] CBS has confirmed Final 2 by noting "4 Castaways 3 Tribal Councils." I have accordingly updated the season summary table to depict that, I have not updated the prose. I will leave that to someone else. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Did Tony play his idol or not

At Episode 11 our article staes; At Tribal Council, despite taunting from Kass and Spencer, Tony ultimately did not play either of his idols while Kass and Woo stayed with Tony and Trish, voting out Tasha and sending her to the jury. But, the CBS recap states; Before revealing the votes, Jeff asks if there is an immunity idol to be played. Tony plays his hidden immunity idol. So, any votes for Tony will not count. The first four votes are then revealed...... I did not record the show so I can't be sure but the way I remember is that Jeff acknowledges that it IS an immunity idol but, he doesn't mention "votes for Tony will not count". We can't have it both ways! Thoughts? I know the difference between the two idols and I know about Tony's plan to fool the other players into thinking the remaining idol is still in play...which it isn't. We just need to find out what the official call is.```Buster Seven Talk 21:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Nevermind. I see it has been changed. ```Buster Seven Talk 22:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2014

174.91.143.151 (talk) 11:32, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Sarah from Indiana?

There are multiple, multiple sources saying she is from Cedar Rapids, Iowa; which source states she's from Fort Wayne, Indiana? --Golbez (talk) 01:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

No worries, Iowa is right. It was just a random IP change that was looked over. Gloss • talk 02:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Why is the Page Already Locked?

Why? We still haven't even filled out the description for the finale episode, including the challenges, yet. There's also even more that can be added to the Reception section. 169.231.57.76 (talk) 19:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

It has been semi-protected, which means only autoconfirmed editors may edit it right now. - Katanin (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Contestants' names

In the contestants table, would it be a good idea to have their names be linked to their CBS bio? They only go up to Samoa, but I think it'd be a nice idea. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 17:53, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Survivor jury vote table discussion

There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors. Schazjmd (talk) 16:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)