Talk:Symphony No. 1 (Bruckner)

Heinrich Schenker uses a passage from this work in Kontrapunkt, Book 1. It's Example 52 on page 61. Don't know if this merits mention in the article. Anton Mravcek 23:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Jochum's Early Recording with Berliner Philharmoniker

I happen to own this old 1966 Deutsche Grammophon recording and the CD notes say that it is the 1866 version. Further, it sounds like the 1866 version when I listened to it. I think I prefer to rely on what DG says in their own product than on what some 3rd party website says. --User:Alf74 17:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

That is a valuable disc you have there. Have you also listened to the Tintner recording? There are some specific spots where the difference between the true Linz version and the so-called Linz are very obvious, mostly in the Finale. I'll have to remember to listen to those when I get home. Anton Mravcek 15:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

According to this website neither Haas nor Nowak ever published an edition of the 1866 version. The first playable edition of the 1866 version was by Carragan in 1998 (based on a verbal description by Haas), so Jochum could hardly have recorded it in 1966 even if he had wanted to. And in my experience booklet notes are not to be trusted on details like these, one of the the most notorious examples being the EMI Flagstad/Melchior Tristan that turned out to be a composite of two performances by two different conductors! Grover cleveland 08:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Versions

I have corrected the versions used in the discography according to the Complete Bruckner Discography - Symphony No. 1 in C Minor. It confirms that both recordings by E. Jochum used the Nowak 1877 version. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

1866 version

I have removed the sentence "/* 1866 Version */ sentence "The scherzo of this first version exhibits many irregular phrase rhythms which Bruckner evened out in later versions." removed", because it does not concern this version, but an earlier, discarded draft of the symphony. See G. Titner's note attached to his CD in which he writes The powerful Scherzo is perhaps not quite as original but typical Bruckner all the same. May I mention in passing that the earlier very short Scherzo which Bruckner discarded before 1866 (because of its brevity?) with its chromatic syncopation is perhaps more interesting.

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I have replaced the removed sentence by:

In the leaflet of this recording Tintner writes: Perhaps it is worth mentioning that an earlier unfinished version of [the Adagio] exists, with largely the same material, except for a quite different middle section, and that the earlier very short Scherzo which Bruckner discarded before 1866 (because of its brevity?) with chromatic syncopation is perhaps more interesting.

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Would that by any chance be the one you can hear a synth version of at http://www.classical-composers.org/comp/bruckner ? James470 (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, this is the first draft of the Scherzo. The Trio is the same as in later versions. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

PS: I have adapted the text accordigly. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)