Talk:Tā moko

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"...methods employed were similar to those used in other parts of Polynesia ...". Perhaps, but surely the 'carving' technique of moko is quite different to to the 'prick and pigment' process elsewhere in Polynesia?

I was chatting to someone on chat-avenue.com, and mentioned my interest in Ta-Moko design. She mentioned this dude called Mark Kopua. I Googled his name, and his work looks very interesting. [1] Dessydes 14:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

is this relevant? -ross616- 21:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Men generally received moko on their faces, buttocks (called raperape) and thighs (called puhoro). Women usually wore moko on their lips (kauae) and chins."

"Rape rape"? I might suggest someone defaced this particular Wiki, wouldn't you say? YellerDog (talk) 05:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...But Then! http://www.maori.org.nz/whakairo/?d=page&pid=sp54&parent=52

Huh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by YellerDog (talk • contribs) 05:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The words appear to be unrelated. Try a google search to get more examples of raperape as a legitimate term.-gadfium 06:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, the page has not been vandalised, raperape is a legitimate tattooing term. Williams dictionary gives 'rape' as 'tattooing on the breech' (ie buttocks). Raperape is a reduplication of that, and reduplication has grammatical significance in Māori. So, raperape is a tattooing term, and by the way is not pronounced anything like the English word that rang false alarm bells. Kahuroa (talk) 10:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tattoes and hierachie[edit]

Because of this: "So Moko, for this practical sense, became a tool by which a hierarchical custom could be observed and maintained." [2] It's not as simple as the ano says, but there seems to be some through in it. Ciell (talk) 22:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the edit because it was saying that more moko correlated to higher rank, and I don't know whether that's true or not. It is true that the design and existence of a moko correlates to rank and geneology. It might be similar to medals - if I have several medals for long service, does that make me better than you if you have only a Victoria Cross?-gadfium 01:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not protesting against your removal gadfium, but I do think it would indeed be interesting to add this kind of information to the article. I'm just not sure, like you say, how it exactly works... Ciell (talk) 10:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kirituhi[edit]

I'd like to make a separate section about kirituhi, where the history and usage of the term is more fully discussed, especially as to how it differentiates from moko. If anyone is feeling especially motivated here is a link that discusses it pretty fully [3]. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 23:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Appropriation[edit]

Who saw fit to say that non-Māori wearing tā moko is offensive? Offensive to whom? And how is this appropriation? Does the contributor not understand the concept of kotahitanga and the spirit of the treaty? If done correctly, any New Zealander has the right to this taonga. Improper use is just as “offensive” if done by Māori as by Pākehā. I believe that this piece was added by someone influenced by American social justice politics, which are divisive and not at home in Aotearoa. If nothing is done to amend this, I shall be doing so within a month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.179.21.84 (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Moko traditionally on certain areas, dependent on gender. Why?[edit]

I can’t find an answer to this by googling, only that, for example, it’s traditional for women to have moko only on the chin and lips, sometimes shoulders. Some contend that the gender distinction in moko is down to historical gender activity: men fought, women didn’t, the markings represent (stylised) blood. You get the drift. Is that correct? References? Alternatively, are there any references that give different explanations? Boscaswell talk 21:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous belief that it was once a European custom[edit]

I'm confused by this line at the end of the background section and don't have access to the source to clarify. Is it implying that ancient Europeans did not tattoo themselves? Or is it trying to say that Europeans thought that Pacific peoples' tattooing was derived from a European custom? Or some other meaning entirely? The first isn't erroneous, as many European cultures did tattoo themselves, but no matter which it is it could benefit from clarification. Khitrir (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I gained access to the article through the Wikipedia Library and on a first skim through couldn't find reference to this sentence. I agree the sentence is confusing, I will delete it until more clarity can be sought. Pakoire (talk) 02:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]