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References[edit]

This reference has some issues:

It refers to another site that seems to be about recovered memory, itself a controversial notion. 9The second page seems to be inactive and isn't listed at archive.org.
The page speculates: Was there a Satanic connection to the Kincora Scandal? (my source, who is a clergyman tells me there was!) Given the religious background in Northern Ireland, there is the possibility that the clergyman in question is a Christian Fundamentalist and they seem to see Satanism more often than others (i.e. they may say Satanists were involved when others would not).
It mentions Jack Parsons whose only link to the scandals are:
- Sharing a surname with the Earls of Rosse.
- The pages' author claims that Birr Castle was used for abuse.
- Having unusual religious views that the author seems to regard as Satanic.
The page links to another page on the same site, claiming Ted Heath visits Kincora - the page actually says Heath himself was being smeared in the press with references to his "visits"

to the Kincora Boys' Home in Northern Ireland - a different statement.

The page tries to link in the murder of Brian McDermott into the alleged Satanic conspiracy, but it seems there may be a suspect not mentioned by the pages' author.
The author claims I would like to make a list of the great inventors who were members of high level (upper-class) occult esoteric secret societies! Leonardo D'Avinci, Boyle, Parsons - but a few spring to mind! - this is conspiracy theory material.

This reference has problems, basically putting WP:UNDUE on the claims of one man, claims that aren't substantiated. The references to Martin Dillons material are far better. If nobody objects I'll remove the conspiracy reference and try to find a more reliable one.Autarch (talk) 23:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it revisionism to claim the Scots once inhabited Ulster?[edit]

This page states: The group espoused a form of historical revisionism, arguing that the early inhabitants of Ireland were Scots or Picts...

While this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti states that Scoti or Scotti was the generic name used by Late Roman authors to describe the Irish warbands who raided Roman Britain...The term Scoti gradually came to embrace all Gaels. In the fifth century, the Gaelic kingdom of Dál Riata emerged on the west coast of Scotland. As this kingdom grew in size and influence, the name was applied to all its subjects – hence the modern terms Scot, Scottish and Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superrr3000 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tara argued that the original inhabitants of Ireland came to the island from Scotland before being displaced by the Irish who came from who knows where. Scots in the article is being used in the sense of "from what is now Scotland" rather than Scotti. According to Prehistoric Ireland the original inhabitants of Ireland came around 8000BC from parts unknown and the Celts arrived later from Britain or mainland Europe. None of which adds to coming from Scotland then being displaced by the Irish, so indeed it is very revisionist. I'll reprhrase the sentence to avoid confusion however. Keresaspa (talk) 02:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Communist conspiracy[edit]

Indeed you're right, Snowded. A communist conspiracy is not the same thing as a conspiracy with communism. You've touched on a trope common in Orange circles at the time, of which you might have detailed knowledge but we can't say for sure. Perhaps modesty forbids you showing the extent of your knowledge. Pray tell, how does one engage in a conspiracy with a political philosophy? Gob Lofa (talk) 23:09, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Show me a reference God Lofa, its what we work from around here. ----Snowded ^TALK 07:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No. If you want to retain the absurdity of people engaging in a conspiracy with a political philosophy, the onus is on you to provide a reference for this rarity. Go have a look, you may learn some new things even if you don't succeed. Gob Lofa (talk) 07:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No reference then either (i) no change or (ii) delete the whole sentence. I don't mind ----Snowded ^TALK 07:42, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you've no reference then your change can't stand, Snowded. You ought to know this by now. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:13, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That part of the article is based on the Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations and, having revisited that source, it doesn't mention communism at all, but rather suggests the imagined conspiracy involved Catholics, the liberal wing of Unionism and unspecified left-wing groups so I've edited to reflect that. Now can that be an end to this debate as it's getting dangerously close to WP:LAME territory. Keresaspa (talk) 17:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. If you're ever in such a strange mood that you feel like more lameness, you need look no further than where my contributions and Snowded's meet. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]