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Shalom meir tower

this is not the first skyscraper in israel. the first skyscraper building was "EL AL TOWER" in ben-yehuda street that built in 1963. פארוק (talk) 10:43, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Avoid Peacock Terms - Present Facts in Fair and Balanced Way

Some sections of this entry read like a marketing brochure for tourists. While it is fine to be enthusiastic about Tel Aviv, Wikipedia thrives on fair and balanced writing. For instance, somebody stated that "The economy of Tel Aviv was ranked second in the Middle East in 2005" and that "in 2010 it was ranked 50th in the world." This statement omits an important fact: in 2010 Tel Aviv was no longer ranked second in the Middle East, but fourth, behind Dubai (27th), Istanbul (41st) and Cairo (43rd). Such omission of facts undermines the credibility of our writing and the purpose of Wikipedia . So, use less "major", "important", and "great" and use more facts, less opinions. Thank you! TippTopp (talk) 23:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Climate chart

I added a climate chart instead of the picture of the thunders, that picture doesn't seem to be useful or to reflect reality as there aren't a lot of thunderstorms in tel aviv (no more than 25-30 days a year with thunders) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.177.30 (talk) 09:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

The Idiots

"Crusader domination ended in 1268, when the Mamluk Sultan Baibars captured the town, destroyed its harbor and razed its fortifications.[31][32] To prevent further Crusader incursions, the city was ransacked in 1336, 1344 and 1346 by Nasir al-Din Muhammad.[33]"

I don't know which of the idiots around here linked to Nasir al-Din Muhammad that died around 1318. He lived in Sistan and could not have attacked Jaffa. The writer must mean Al-Nasir Muhammad a Sultan of the Bahri Mamluks of Egypt, but that article says that Sultan died in 1341. So if it was an afrit attacking Jaffa in 1344 and 1346 that's okay I guess but it could not have been the Sultan of Egypt. Also it was my understanding that the 9th crusade ended in 1272 so who were the Crusaders this afrit was attacking in 1344 and 1346? Perhaps it means Mongols instead of Crusaders? Sultan al-Nasir Muhammad found a war with the Mongols in this region, but again he died in 1341. Also the wars between the Mongols and Egyptians was in what is now modern day Syria not near Jaffa. You should show your references that Sultan al-Nasir Muhammad attacked Jaffa when he was dead. Regards. 24.8.243.117 (talk) 01:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

It is good to bring problems in the article to our attention on this page, but calling other editors idiots is not. In fact, if you do it again I will block you. Zerotalk 10:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have Tolkowsky, S. (1925). "New Light on the History of Jaffa". London: Journal of the Palestine Oriental Society 5:82-84. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)? It is the source for the 1336-1345 destructions. I replaced it by the Encyc. Islam version, which uses Tolkowsky as its source. Zerotalk 11:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Demonym

Given that Tel Avivim is in the masculine plural, shouldn't there also be something for how a resident of Tel Aviv is referred to in the other ways? Like Tel Avivi for a male Tel Avivit and Tel Aviviot for a girl and girls? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 21:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Tony Parker says what?

NBA player Anthony Parker called Tel Aviv the best basketball city to go out in. What does this even mean? Vranak (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a job for reference desk. Something to do with these guys maybe? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 04:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Arabic name

The Arabic name of Tel Aviv is Tall ʾAbīb تل أبيب, which is how it's correctly transliterated in the opening paragraph (and above the info thingie). However, what's actually written in Arabic is تل الربيع (transliterated would be Tall ʾAr-rabī‘, which literally means in Arabic "spring mound"). So, should I change the Arabic name or change the transliteration? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.218.152 (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Good question. Which name is more commonly used in Arabic-language media? A Google search could answer the question, but I don't want to mess it up. :p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 16:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

In the Arabic media and news (even in the Arabic wikipedia), it's تل أبيب Tall ʾAbīb. Also searching google, تل أبيب returns 13.4 million hits, while تل الربيع only returns half a million hits. As such, I'll be changing it to تل أبيب. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.84.144.127 (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Seems the best course of action then (though I would do kind of prefer translated name to transliterated to be honest). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 19:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Csb climate?!

The summer in Tel Aviv is hot (I'm speaking from personal experience), and even the climate table can tell you that. The definition of a climate with the third letter b is that the warmest month average is less than 22 degrees, so tell me by yourselves what climate Tel Aviv has. מתיא (talk) 15:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Tel aviv at night

Pictures of tel-aviv at night and from night areas must be shown here.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.28.134 (talk) 12:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

The Geddes Plan of Tel Aviv

i think it's need a separate paragraph. פארוק (talk) 11:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

biblical verses

It is clearly WP:OR to interpret Biblical verses directly from the Bible. Take for example "as bordering on the territory of the Tribe of Dan" referring to Joshua 18:46 or thereabouts. Most translations don't support that: "And Me-Jarkon, and Rakkon, with the border opposite Joppa." And Mejarcon and Arecon, with the border that looketh towards Joppe.", "And Mejarkon, and Rakkon, with the border before Japho.". None of these say Jaffa was on the border. (It's also unclear why this is relevant to the present article.) Zerotalk 05:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Need to replace a source

There are many citations to "Economist City Guide-Tel Aviv", which seems to be unavailable (dead link, can't find). Anyway tourist guides are terrible as sources of history and ought to be avoided. We need replacements. I'm inclined to replace the links by tags... Zerotalk 05:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Economic activities?

"Economic activities account for 17 percent of GDP." This is the second sentence under the Economy section. It makes no sense to me. "Economic activities" is not a subset category of GDP which I am familiar with. The citation link wasn't working for me so I couldn't investigate. I'm posting here so an editor more dedicated to this page can investigate. Dkriegls (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Illegal Africans

If editors want to start incorporating content on the recent crisis involving the illegal infiltrators in Tel Aviv, it ought to be discussed here first. Tel Aviv is a GA and contributors should endeavor that their edits to the article be of an encyclopedic nature and not additions of random press headlines of no enduring importance. It's conceivable that the illegal infiltrators might deserve some mention in the article. Other editors should share their opinions on whether that's the case and how the added content should look. But isolating a recent incident or two with no context at all is assuredly not the way to do it.—Biosketch (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I've protected the page for a day to stop this edit war. I think the request for more sources which discuss these social problems as a whole, rather than this one isolated incident, is perfectly justified. It's hard to write about something like this which, as this article admits, is a "rising sentiment", encyclopedically. Wikipedia is not a newspaper, when something like this seems to be progressing, we wait for it to happen before writing about it, especially in a parent article like this. I'm especially not convinced that quote is notable. If you had a book whose main subject was this city, it may well note the large immigrant population in this area and the social problems which are linked to it, but unless that quote becomes widely remembered, it's unlikely to go that far. - filelakeshoe 20:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Illegal Africans are living in South tel aviv in poor neighborhoods. the african are coming from "Egypt" across the border to israel and they going to every city in israel - mainly in south Tel Aviv together with all the foreign workers neighborhoods in Israel that is their center in israel. פארוק (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
the article gives no idea whatever of situation in poorer neighbourhoods of southern tel Aviv as far as i can see - guardian article [1] - not 'one isolated incident' filelakeshoe - speaks of incidents, plural, more like a climate - and the above contribution doesnt sound like it refers to 'one isolated incident' but neighbourhood tensions , sounds like Eli Yishai supporter attitude actually Sayerslle (talk) 21:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Eli Yishai was right becouse the african come to israel only to get money and good life and most of israelis are suffering of them !!!. the Bedouin in the Negev dessert are smuggling them to Tel Aviv to destroy the Jewish state for a lot of money and some of the africans are killed by the African smuggling the Tel Aviv to destroy the Jewish state for a lot of money and some of them are killed in Egypt by the bedouin on the road to Israel. פארוק (talk) 22:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
if you substituted certain names and words in your first sentence, pr*k , you could get " *AH was right ,because the Ashkenazi come to Germany only to get money and good life and most of aryans are suffering of them." is that godwins law? . anyway the point is in the neighbourhoods section it looks out-of-date and censored imo. Sayerslle (talk) 23:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
The main issue I picked up on with your edit was the quote, really, it might not seem it but to the uninformed reader (e.g. me) it seems like a journalistic and persuasive tool. Also that Guardian article you just posted mostly discusses an attack in Jerusalem. There are many more sources discussing this, including some from the other POV (I loathe to consider such blatantly POV journalism like this reliable for anything, but [2], for example). To avoid sounding journalistic either way it might be worth just saying that there is a high concentration of immigrants in this area which has led to some social unrest, mentioning the recent string of attacks if it's really notable (I don't know enough to be able to tell whether it is) and save more detailed info for an article like Sudanese refugees in Israel. - filelakeshoe 21:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
it is a big mistake !!! the world think it is racism - but the true that is not connect to racism at all, the sudanese are not refugees becouse they come to israel as a migrant workers like many foreign workers who come to Israel from 40 countries living in south tel aviv and there childrens learning in schools in south Tel Aviv. פארוק (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I would like to point פארוק to WP:TALKNO and WP:NOTFORUM. Also please keep the tone of talk page posts calm and civil. This conversation needs to stop immediately or it should be reported to WP:ANI. Thanks. Obotlig ☣ interrogate 01:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

ok i understand. פארוק (talk) 18:45, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Nation's capital?

  • Is there any page on Wikipedia one can find to see how come the United States considers Tel Aviv to be the capital of Israel whereas others, including the Israelis, consider Jerusalem the capital? USN1977 (talk) 17:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Please look here ==>>>> the capital of Israel. פארוק (talk) 15:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
It's not only the USA. Most countries including the UK regard Tel Aviv as the capital because Jerusalem remains disputed.88.167.22.75 (talk) 01:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Tel Aviv will never be the capital of Israel. we have only 1 Capital in the all history and it is our eternal capital: Jerusalem. פארוק (talk) 17:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
  • That may be so, but I am trying to figure this out from a geographical point of view. It would be considered strange if the Isreali Embassy to the U.S. was placed in Pittsburgh because the Israelis considered Pittsburgh to be the capital of the United States, and no doubt some would be trying to get to the bottom of that reasoning. I figured Wikipedia would have a piece on why the U.S. government declares Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel and what reasoning they have for that. USN1977 (talk) 18:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The US does not declare Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel. It just puts its embassy there. Unless you have a reliable source that says otherwise? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 18:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Most of the world do not recognized the State of Israel and becouse of that all of the embassies are in Tel Aviv. פארוק (talk) 18:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
No, that's incorrect. Most of the embassies are in Tel Aviv because there was a UN resolution encouraging countries to move their embassies out of Jerusalem after the Jerusalem Law in 1980. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The CIA World Factbook published by the U.S. intelligence agency lists Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It is not true that U.S. considers Tel Aviv to be the capital. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.57.44.166 (talk) 20:38, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
The UN decided to put all embassies in Tel Aviv because of Anti-Semitic reasons. פארוק (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
The location of an embasy has nothing to do with a city being a capital or not. Embasies to the UN are in New York - does that make NY capital of something? Embasies to the vatican are outside vatican teritory - and are in Rome, the capital of Italy. This does not make the entire area of Rome part of the Vatican. A country may chose to place its embasy wherever it wants in another country. Deror (talk) 08:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
It is true that Jerusalem is not recongnized by many countries as the capital, but no country specifically recongnizes Tel Aviv as the capital. Also (in my opinion), a capital is wherever the central government is located, and in Israel, the Knesset, Supreme Court, and all other import stuff is located in Jerusalem. You may say that Jerusalem should not be the capital, but you cannot say that it is not the capital. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 08:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Date of creation

Part of article: "The boundaries of Tel Aviv and Jaffa became a matter of contention between the Tel Aviv municipality and the Israeli government in 1948.[41] The former wished to incorporate only the northern Jewish suburbs of Jaffa, while the latter wanted a more complete unification.[41] The issue also had international sensitivity, since the main part of Jaffa was in the Arab portion of the United Nations Partition Plan, whereas Tel Aviv was not, and no armistice agreements had yet been signed.[41] On 10 December 1948, the government announced the annexation to Tel Aviv of Jaffa's Jewish suburbs, the ex-Arab neighborhood of Abu Kabir, the ex-Arab village of Salama and some of its agricultural land, and the Jewish 'Hatikva' slum.[41] On 25 February 1949, the abandoned Arab village of al-Shaykh Muwannis was also annexed to Tel Aviv.[41] On 18 May 1949, Manshiya and part of Jaffa's central zone were added, for the first time including land that had been in the Arab portion of the UN partition plan.[41] The government voted on the unification of Tel Aviv and Jaffa on 4 October 1949, but the decision was not implemented until 24 April 1950 due to the opposition of Tel Aviv mayor Israel Rokach.[41] The name of the unified city was Tel Aviv until 19 August 1950, when it was renamed Tel Aviv-Yafo in order to preserve the historical name Jaffa.[41]"
Source [41]: Arnon Golan (1995), The demarcation of Tel Aviv-Jaffa's municipal boundaries, Planning Perspectives, vol. 10, pp. 383–398
In article in Electronic Jewish Encyclopedia (in Russian) there is phrase "24 апреля 1949 г. Тель-Авив и Яффа были объединены в один город" (On 24 April 1949 Tel-Aviv and Jaffa were unified in one town). Could someone check the source "The demarcation of Tel Aviv-Jaffa's municipal boundaries, Planning Perspectives" and appropriate information? Shoud we write 1949 year or 1950 year? Dinamik (talk) 21:04, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I checked the paper of Golan and another of his on an overlapping subject. Both say 1950 in a chronological sequence, so I don't see a reason to doubt it. I notice that this was immediately after the annexation of the West Bank by Jordan; maybe that had something to do with the decision (Jaffa was in the Arab part of the UN partition plan, so there was a legal aspect). Zerotalk 02:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

the Orient Fair

the Orient Fair in 1934 next to Tel Aviv port was an important history sign in the development of Tel Aviv. 79.179.154.235 (talk) 11:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Rainfall

800 mm seems a bit too large. Other sources seem to say somewhere in the 500s, and that's what it said in the article before... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.229.107.18 (talk) 20:02, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

"Big Orange"

This article states that "The Big Orange" is a nickname for Tel Aviv. Big Orange states that it refers to Jaffa, and doesn't mention Tel Aviv at all. Could someone who knows which city it refers to please correct the inaccurate page? Thanks. --Yair rand (talk) 09:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Size of Jaffa?

Was visiting Tel Aviv in 2010, but hadn't enough time to see the southernmost part, i.e. Jaffa. Next time I'm in Israel, I will visit it. But must in that regards know its size to know what I'm up against. Do I need a whole day to see it properly, or what? Is it just 1 km x 1 km, as someone suggested, or much bigger? Hope for answers with actual numbers by people who knows. Best of all from real residents or people living nearby.

Stein S., Oslo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.106.111 (talk) 11:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Herzliya Hebrew Gymnasium

Can we find out who put in that bit about the Herzliya Hebrew Gymnasium having been demolished in 1962? It's still a functioning school to this day. I've reverted it, but I think we have a vandal on the loose.--RM (Be my friend) 09:20, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

the original building in Herzl street was demolished, but the school still exists in Jabotinsky street in tel aviv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotemye (talk • contribs) 17:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The article needs temporary protection from anonymous edits

The article needs temporary protection from anonymous edits. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 12:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I posted a request at 15:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC) @WP:Requests_for_page_protection and waiting for it to be actioned.  Velella  Velella Talk   18:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Reference 128 is a dead link

I don't want to break the references by accident, so I just thought I'd let people know here. Neo12345292 (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

No reference to the official name of the city? Tel Aviv-Yafo

Rather glaring and odd ommission (Unlike in the Hebrew language article, which includes it). Tel Aviv includes Jaffa, and it is named Tel Aviv-Yafo. That official name should be appear in the article's first line, if not in the title. Unfortunately the article editing is locked. JD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.76.96.149 (talk) 21:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Impending tag blitz

As complained in 2009 and 2012 (see the archives of this talk page), the Economist City Guide for Tel Aviv is long defunct and was probably never a proper source for historical information. Unfortunately it is still the sole source for many statements. This is to give notice that I plan to remove it from the article quite soon. Zerotalk 21:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

There being no objections since 2009, I have removed this source. For a place so much written about as Tel Aviv, it should be no problem finding alternative sources. Zerotalk 10:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I tagged the source you questioned as unreliable, giving a chance to other users to examine the source and add another, instead of quickly removing all of the cited claims. You should have tagged it as such, not remove it and tag too many sentences with citation needed and here are other examples for other templates to use (Template:Verify credibility) inside the page. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I raised the issue on this discussion page three times over 4 years and never had the least dissent. That's much more opportunity for discussion than the issue requires. The "verify credibility" tag is useless; travel guides are substandard sources for history, it is as simple as that. I.e., the credibility has already been checked and found wanting. And calling my edit "vandalism" as you did is offensive. What is this nonsense about "quickly removing all of the cited claims"? I didn't remove any claims at all, kindly take that back. Zerotalk 01:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
At the same time I made the edit, I was reverting the vandalism to the climate data, but realized afterwards that someone had already reverted the vandalism to the climate date right before me. If you checked the dates, you'll notice they were made at a very close time. Another confusing thing was the part which was cited by something else, yet you tagged it with citation needed, when it already had another citation. In the end, I'll see if another tag is more appropriate. Thanks. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 11:08, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Hazhk edited the credibility style. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Since when "Muslims" or "Christians" are ethnic groups?

Demonym I am questioning this part:

Tel Avivi Ethnicity 

• Jews	91%
• Muslims	3%
• Christians	1%
• Unclassified	5%


  • Unsigned your argument doesn't take into account Jews as an ethnic group. I'd refer you to the Jewish right to return law that defines which Jews are and have been allowed to come and live in Israel. Jew in the way would be a loose use of the term ethnicity in this situation. In context in Israel Christians and Muslims fit the definition of an ethnic group.198.45.184.25 (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

1917 objection to content

current version: However, growth halted in 1917 when the Ottoman authorities expelled the Jews of Jaffa and Tel Aviv.[31] A report published in The New York Times by United States Consul Garrels in Alexandria, Egypt described the Jaffa deportation of early April 1917. The orders of evacuation were aimed chiefly at the Jewish population.[39] Jews were free to return to their homes in Tel Aviv at the end of the following year when, with the end of World War I and the defeat of the Ottomans, the British took control of Palestine.

My objections are based on Anderson, S. (2013): Lawrence in Arabia., pp. 298-304. 1.) Not only the Jewish were evacuated/removed/deported at the time but the whole population because the Turkish expected the British to land there. 2.) Although there can be no doubt that all population groups affected suffered, the Jewish (according to neutral Swedish observers) suffered less than other ethnic groups.

Anderson quotes among other sources a neutral Swedish Observer Mission to Palestine in June 1917. He also shows the New York Times quote the current version relies on to be War Propaganda propagated by the British (Sykes) and a Zionist (Aaronsohn) who fed false information to both American Zionists and Western military men in Egypt.

I suggest removing the sentence "The orders of evacuation were aimed chiefly at the Jewish population" because it is likely to be wrong.

Please note that this is my first contribution to wikipedia, which is why I am not going to alter the article myself.

Jerbiton (talk) 08:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Jerbiton

Capital of Israel

Most people don't know the capital of Israel. Even Google is ignorant on this subject. It's TEL-AVIV, not Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel like Kiev is the capital of Russia.

THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL IS TEL-AVIV. So please stop removing this and modify the article accordingly--24.203.108.54 (talk) 20:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

If you write something in Bold, that doesn't make it true, by law, Tel-Aviv is NOT the capital of Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv#cite_note-4

Climate mistakes

The Hebrew source used nowhere states that the average daily maximum temperature in Tel Aviv for January is 16,5C and almost all sources states that the daily temperatures are 9-18C. So I changed this section accordingly. I did not check other numbers beside January and February.--Tritomex (talk) 01:06, 29 November 2014 (UTC) If you check the temperature for Haifa, you will see that the 16,5C claim for Tel Aviv is incorrect. [3] --Tritomex (talk) 01:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Tritomex, you are using a travel site, http://www.inisrael.com/tour/weather/, to give weather information. This is NOT a reliable source for weather. The source given, 1 and 1 do give all the information presented in the table except for mean sunshine. This is supplied by the Israel Meteorological Service, the official source for weather in Israel.
The English portal is here
However, the data is out of date. Averages are calculated using the latest 30-year period, updated once a decade. So, the averages should be from 1980-2010. More upto date info is found at here.
Update the info as needed, but DO NOT use the travel site's data. Also, I play a meteorologist by day. Bgwhite (talk) 01:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Bgwhite,Ok I will update it directly from Israeli central bureau of statistics. [4]--Tritomex (talk) 02:35, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
BgwhiteI updated it with fully reliable sources, I did not used CBS as it presents the numbers for each year seperatly with giving an average temperature. The source is [5]--Tritomex (talk) 03:09, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Tritomex, I'm confused, nothing new. You updated three different things. What ones used climate-data.org? Could you show me what the links were. I'm a little dubious of climate-data.org. They get data, then put it into a climate model. The numbers on the web page are from the climate model. These can drastically be different from the actual numbers. In Tel Aviv's case, it is right next to the ocean. Averages can be drastically cooler next to the ocean than 20km inland. Bgwhite (talk) 06:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
BgwhiteIf you check the numbers, they are almost identical wit Israeli central bureau of Statistics numbers (Sde Dov station on ocean)[6]- for period 2012-2014 but are off course drastically different from previous numbers. The same or very similar numbers were in this sections for many years before they were recently changed. climate-data.org. is reliable source and the numbers are taken from Sde Dov station which is in Tel Aviv itself. The biggest mistake in previous numbers was regarding period December-February where before correction it came out that Tel Aviv is much cooler than for example Haifa, which lies north on mountains. We all know this was incorrect. Also if you check climate dot org [7] they have different numbers given for each and every town located outside of city of Tel Aviv, even those just few kilometers away--Tritomex (talk) 11:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Tel Aviv

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 February 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. - Yeah this doesn't have a chance in hell of ever being moved, Tel Aviv (like the below state) is the COMMONNAME and therefore shouldn't ever be moved. –Davey2010Talk 23:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)


Tel Aviv → Tel Aviv-Yafo – Tel Aviv Yafo is the official name of the city. It is used in the city's website's logo, written in English and Hebrew. The coat of arms also uses the title, written in Hebrew. This should only be in the article's title, the rest of the article can just use "Tel Aviv". Bolter21 (talk to me) 20:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose. That is not the WP:COMMONNAME, as the nominator seems to acknowledge. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:10, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Timrollpickering (talk) 01:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose, and speedy close. Per above. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 02:55, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose WP:OFFICIALNAME we do not use official names just because they are official, we use common names -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, no-one talks about "Tel Aviv-Yafo", except in the context of municipality work and stuff like that. It would in fact be more proper in the English language to talk about "Tel Aviv-Jaffa", but that's another conversation for another time. "Tel Aviv" is the common term. —  Cliftonian (talk)  10:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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"it is known to be"

Curious English, clearly written by a non-native English-speaker. Surely "it is considered" or quite simply "it is" would be more natural.188.230.248.85 (talk) 21:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

New image set in infobox

No offense to the person who made it, but the image set is unattractive and out of date (for example, the panorama shots are quite different now than when they were taken 9 years ago). I will provisionally return it to the old set for that reason. Although maybe we should discuss it with other editors here? Avaya1 (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

New images from the the financial district, beach and also TASE can be put up. David Aaron talk 07:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Nightlife

Please remove "The largest area for nightclubs is the Tel Aviv port, where the city's large, commercial clubs and bars draw big crowds of young clubbers from both Tel Aviv and neighboring cities." Saying the Tel Aviv port is the largest area for night clubs is absurd! There are no longer any active clubs at the port. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Shimilid (talk • contribs) 10:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 10:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

There you go: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dance%20club&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=32076243,34784944,1079&tbm=lcl&tbs=lf_msr:-1,lf:1,lf_ui:1,lf_pqs:EAE&fll=32.097797569743754,34.77460139308471&fspn=0.01192464425361095,0.021886956357903387&fz=16&oll=32.076509,34.7795152&ospn=0.05047433614944907,0.03965478096031916&oz=13&qop=1&rlfi=hd:;si:

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 15:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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