Talk:Tharman Shanmugaratnam

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Name standard[edit]

is tharman shanmugaratnam's first name tharman or shanmugaratnam i ask bc his wikipedia article refers him by the name Tharman which appears to be his first name this is not standard for wikipedia and makes me think the guy who wrote the article just hated writing his last name which i find amusing "Born in Singapore, Tharman attended the Anglo-Chinese School before graduating from the London School of Economics (LSE) with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. (LSE later awarded him an Honorary Fellowship in 2011).[5]" compare to "Born in Scranton, Pennsylvania, Biden moved with his family to Delaware in 1953." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fivework (talk • contribs) 16:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Hold on ... this should not be part of Wikiproject India. It is simply not related to India. He was never an Indian citizen. He was never even raised in India.--SohanDsouza 04:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of person[edit]

Hi all. I find that the enlarged picture of Shanmugaratnam is rather distorted. I think it would be a good idea to get a new photo, or improve the picture.

Thank you. Angcr (talk) 05:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tan Wah Piow[edit]

There is some references to him being a associate of Tan Wah Piow, a exiled dissent in UK and was subsequently questioned by ISD upon his return to Singapore in the mid 1980s. Does anyone have the link or reference?

Koxinga CDF (talk) 11:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese name[edit]

Please everyone. Instead of edit warring, just discuss here. It is best to start an RFC to decide this. No more disruptions to the page itself. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary to include his Chinese name? As far as I can see, he has no Chinese ancestry at all, and the common language in Singapore is English. A source does say he has 2 variations of of his name in Chinese, but also states that they are just translations, with no mention if its official. Zhanzhao (talk) 10:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a huge fan of mentioning multiple names either, particularly in the infobox and lead. The usual convention is to mention the English name and a single foreign language "native name" if it is cited (See MOS:FORLANG). This btw seems like a translation to me so I'm not really interested in keeping it in the lead or infobox. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with @Zhanzhao: There is no reason why a Chinese translation of his name should be included. There would be a basis for its inclusion if he were either 1) Of Chinese ancestry, or 2) If Singapore's national language and/or lingua franca were Chinese.

I would like to draw your attention to Lee Hsien Loong's profile on the official Parliament website: https://www.parliament.gov.sg/mp/lee-hsien-loong

As you can see, a Tamil transliteration of his name has been included in his profile (Tharman also has a Chinese transliteration in his profile), but Tamil obviously does not need to be included in LHL's Wiki article because he does not have any Indian ancestry. I therefore fail to see why people are so insistent to add Chinese to Tharman's page when his native name has already been included. If we have reached a consensus here, I would appreciate it if it could be removed. Tiger7253 (talk) 15:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thank you guys for fixing the penis picture Jonathan Teagan (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Continual reverts[edit]

Sgspeedo has, for some reason, been continually reverting my attempts to improve and update the lead section without giving an explanation as to why. Despite my attempts to initiate dialogue through the this editor's talk page, the reverts have continue with no justification given. The old version that it's being reverted to is problematic. It doesn't include any mention of Tharman being a former Deputy PM (a pretty significant detail to leave out) and has segments worded in a way which is now out of date. But it keeps being restored.

I'm happy to engage in dialogue if there's thought to be a problem with my updates. But, at the moment, I can't see what the problem with what I'm doing is or why it keeps getting reverted.

Hill Gate (talk) 14:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]