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Well, yes, there are squirrels, and there are flying squirrels, and there are squirrels who fly. Rocky belongs to groups 1 & 3... <G> -- Someone else 01:26 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)~

I changed the phrase that read " agents of the fictitious Warsaw Pact satellite state of Pottsylvania". Saying that Pottsylvania was in the Warsaw Pact seems imposing too much of our world on to Rocky & Bullwinkle's world. (If Warsaw Pact membership was ever actually mentioned in an episode of the show, I will recant.) Certainly there was a suggestion of Eastern Europe, Boris Badinov had a pseudo-Slavic name, but Fearless Leader was an Erich von Stroheim charicature of an evil World War I German officer. Pottsylvania seems more of a generic archetypical enemy of the USA. -- Infrogmation 17:04 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Style of quotations

I styledited the quotes errrr.. Memorable Lines section. Various styles are available (as you know). But it's each leads to difficulty visually determining where quoted section ends and a new one begins. Examples:

Styles investigated

Bullets

This style leads to difficulty described above.

  • Character 01: "Line 1"
  • Character 02: "Line 2"
  • Character 11: "Line 1"
  • Character 12: "Line 2"

Indentation

Somewhat better to read, although leads to same issue.

Character 01: "Line 1"
Character 02: "Line 2"
Character 11: "Line 1"
Character 12: "Line 2"

Combination bullet with indentation

This style seems to solve the issue. Yes?

  • Character 01: "Line 1"
Character 02: "Line 2"
  • Character 11: "Line 1"
Character 12: "Line 2"

Other

This is successful, but the downfall is line length and real estate (space). Also, an editor would need to realize not everyone has a screen resolution of 1280x1024/1024x768/800x600x640x480 (cringe)! 

Character 01: "Line 1"
Character 02: "Line 2"

Character 11: "Line 1"
Character 12: "Line 2"

Guy M (talk) 11:57, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

Other Stuff

Was the local paper the Picayune Intelligencer? (Does anyone care?) Trekphiler 01:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Fanmail from some flounder?

One of my favorite lines from the show is "fanmail from some flounder? I think it was in the opening or the credits, anyone know which? Should it or other parts of the opening or credits be included? Paul August ☎ 06:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

It was part of one of the transitions to a commercial... AnonMoos 22:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia (nes game)

There's a nintendo entertainment system game too, might be good if it was mentioned under "other media".

Other Segments

Not mentioned in the "Other Segments" portion of the entry is the series of segments in which a young man is trying to get away from a long-winded world-traveler who has an endless stock of stories about escaping from one or another near-death adventures. As I recall, they were set in the gentleman's library and always started with the young man saying, "Really, Professor, I must be going--" and the Professor, obliviously, would say, "Did I ever tell you about the time I . . . ?" and then would launch into another improbable story. I don't remember the title of the series, but it was featured at least as often as the others mentioned. --Soybomb 20:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

  • So ends the brag of McBragg. It was a steroetypical retired British Army officer who would recount his improbable adventures in the jungles of India or darkest Africa, and so on. Darcyj 10:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

That was part of "Tennessee Tuxedo and his tales"- another Jay Ward show.Saxophobia 11:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Fractured Fairy Tales

It was like my favorite segment. I'm not sure I should spin it off into its own article, but I thought I'd ask if anyone doing so would be acceptable? It seems like there was a book of them.--T. Anthony 06:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Wrong acronym

I just watched one of the first 8 episodes of the show and it seems Peabody's device is called the "Waybac Machine" not "WABAC." I'm not going to change it because it could have been a fluke.

Episode count

The infobox lists 98 episodes - the count for the "Bullwinkle Show" syndication package, not the entire run of the franchise. The rest of the box is clearly referring to the full show, so does anybody know the corresponding episode count? ShaleZero 15:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Background Quote

Would this work as an acceptable source for the quote listed as needing a citation? http://www.bookrags.com/The_Rocky_and_Bullwinkle_Show FatBurger 22:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Episode list

We need to get an episode list going! The tough part will be figuring out which of the two series each episode originally aired on. --Hotdoglives 04:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

What killed the show??

I'd been told that the show was canceled beacuse the content was "too political". Elsewhere I'd heard that a Russian ambassador saw an episode in Japan and got angry about the Boris Badnoff portrayal. Can anyone substantiate this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.159.105 (talk) 02:35, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Now you're here, heh, what a world.

If you want back the camera case, meet us back at the school in the front field at 8:30. Yes, we know it's a collabrative day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.216.76 (talk) 02:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Gamma Productions

My understanding has always been that Jay Ward was absolutely opposed to Mexican production. "The Moose that Roared" covers this (and just about everything else about R&B in great detail.) This point needs to be double-checked. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 18:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Rocky bullwinkle tracks.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Complete Series

Hi everyone. Just received my "Complete Bull(winkle)" today from Amazon. I looked in the booklet at the first couple of season 5 epsiodes and, sure enough, the non-R&B segments are repeats from prior seasons' discs. This matches the math I did earlier (see "Season 4 on DVD?" below). It's a shame they did this... I guess they were unable to license Commander McBragg? Any thoughts about how to talk about this on the main article page? Thanks and Happy New Year. --Kent Sullivan (talk) 07:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't get a response so decided to add this to the "DVD releases" section. --Kent Sullivan (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Season 4 on DVD?

Is season 4 going to be issued on DVD? The article leaves off at 3, but that was back in 2005. You'd think more would have been issued by now. --98.232.182.66 (talk) 10:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I did a little math and discovered that the total amount content from Aesop & Son, Dudley Do-Right, Fractured Fairy Tales, and Peabody's Improbable History (assuming 2 segments per show) equals exactly the number of Rocky and Bullwinkle shows in the first four seasons -- 130. --Kent Sullivan (talk) 04:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Season 4 DVDs due on August 17th,2010 from Classic Media via Vivendi Enertainment - Finally! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.84.124 (talk) 05:23, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The is actually Called "The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends."

I have alot of episodes on DVD. The title reads "The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends." I used to remember seeing that on "The Bozo Show (WGN-TV Chicago)" User:BuddyBoy600 —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC).

That's kind of a retroactively imposed title. It was not used when the shows were originally broadcast in the early 1960s... AnonMoos (talk) 18:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

why show renamed?

The article doesn't seem to say why the show was renamed to The Bullwinkle Show. Brian Kistler at imdb.com wrote: "The story that I have read, as to why Jay Ward switched the name, from Rocky and His Friends, to The Bullwinkle Show, is very simple. In 1961 the show switched networks. The new station would only pick the series up if Ward renamed it The Bullwinkle Show". tv.com (with some broken English) says “the show moved to NBC with Bullwinkle's popularity, the show was renamed "The Bullwinkle Show".” and that Rocky and His Friends was black and white and Bullwinkle Show was in color. --EarthFurst (talk) 18:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the article could do more to point out that these originally were two distinct (albeit consecutive) shows with different content. In particular, they had different supporting features. Originally, "Fractured Fairy Tales" and "Peabody's Improbable History" aired on "Rocky & His Friends," while "Dudley Do-Right" and "Aesop & Son" are from the later "Bullwinkle," but these four features are listed together as if they were made at the same time. Also, reruns of "Rocky & His Friends" were being aired in syndication even while "Bullwinkle" was still airing on the network. Richard K. Carson (talk) 22:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

If the show called Rocky and His Friends changed its name to The Bullwinkle Show, why is this article called, in italics, The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show? 69.201.168.196 (talk) 18:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

That's among several titles devised later on to unify the two shows... AnonMoos (talk) 18:02, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Day/Time of original broadcasts?

The article doesn't mention the day and time when the show was originally broadcast on ABC and later on NBC. Was this a prime-time offering? --Henebry (talk) 15:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

One season of the Bullwinkle show (from 1961-1962) broadcast on NBC at 7PM Sunday, if you consider that prime time. Otherwise it was a weekday afternoon show on ABC, and had various weekend morning/afternoon slots on NBC. The only cartoon of that era which ran on national network weekday prime-time for years was "The Flintstones", as far as I can tell... AnonMoos (talk) 18:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Farkling

(can't believe that I'm asking about this -  :-) )
List_of_fictional_U.S._states says of Moosylvania: "The state's official sport is farkling."
Farkling redirects to The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show nowhere mentions the term. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It's a game using dice. See Farkle. Floggolozzo (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

While Farkle is currently a dice game, it wasn't marketed under that name until 1982 (according to the link). It came out LONG after the Rocky & Bullwinkle show. I would say it's not necessarily evident that Moosylvania's "official sport" is this particular dice game. In fact, one could theorize that the game is named in honor of Bullwinkle's home state. Just a thought. Cheers! Jororo05 (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

DVD sound not representative

For years I had tape recordings I made from the shows. I was excited by the VHS, LaserDisc, and DVD recordings and bought them. But -- especially watching the DVDs -- I was struck at how shrill Rocky's voice is. I thought of one of three possibilities: 1) It was always that way, my memory of much listened-to tape recordings is inaccurate, 2) The DVD sound has been poorly ported to DVD, 3) Rocky's voice *was* less strident in practice, when originally played, because almost everyone was playing the show through TV speakers that would today be considered poor quality compared to almost anything today. Specifically, speakers in 1960s would have very poor upper frequency reproduction. Have any of the critics commented on this? Could we get a referenced statement in the article? I find the DVD sound almost painful to listen to: could that have contributed to lower sales than expected? Piano non troppo (talk) 20:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Rocky's voice, it was done by June Foray. She appeared in an episode of "Married... with Children" as the voice of a witch-puppet on a kid's show. She has a very distinctive voice, I spotted it by the sound before seeing the credits. I wouldn't characterize it as "shrill." The point being, she didn't sound any different on a (more) modern TV than she did as Rocky. I don't think "modern" speakers would be a cause of the sound difference you mention. I haven't heard the DVDs, so I can't directly comment. But I think your theory about speaker quality can be discounted. Possibly someone decided to remix or equalize the original soundtrack, resulting in the effect you mention. Just a thought. Cheers! Jororo05 (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Outro credits

Whatever are outro credits? kcylsnavS {screech} 03:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

"Intro" and "outro" segments come at the beginning and end of an episode. "Intro" is short for "introduction," and "outro" was probably devised as a punning opposite of "intro." Outro credits are the credits that appear at the end of an episode, often as titles superimposed over still or moving images, usually underscored with theme music. Floggolozzo (talk) 17:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Fourth Wall

The "Structure" section of the article states:

The narrator frequently had conversations with the characters, thus breaking the fourth wall.

The adventures did sometimes break the fourth wall, often with Rocky directly addressing the audience, but I don't see how dialogue between characters and the narrator breaks the fourth wall. The fourth wall seperates the characters from the audience, not from the narrator. Such conversations do however violate the suspension of disbelief. Floggolozzo (talk) 17:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Think of the narrator as the audience's representative. —Tamfang (talk) 20:09, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

plot summaries

The plot summaries are badly written, and often have errors. Somebody needs to clean them up (I've done one or two); I just don't have the time. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

character voices

It's generally obvious as to which actor plays which part -- except for those played by Bill Scott, whose voices are not recognizably from the same actor! I assume he did Dudley and Fearless Leader -- but an official list would be appreciated. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 17:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I took a shot at gathering this info together by adding a Voices section to the main article. See what you think. --Kent Sullivan (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Mexico

As I've gathered, this was animated in Mexico. So doesn't that mean Mexico counts as one of the show's "country of origin"? 24.170.249.137 (talk) 02:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The animation work was contracted out to Mexico (Val-Mar), but the writing, financing, editorial supervision, most of the production, etc. was done in the U.S., and the show was mainly intended for a U.S. audience. Would you call The Simpsons a South Korean show? AnonMoos (talk) 18:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Family / minor or unseen characters

Should there be a mention of family? So far, I've been able to gleam that Bullwinkle had an uncle "twice removed" (for vagrancy and loitering) named Dewlap D. Moose; who bequeathed Bullwinkle his 'Upsidaisium' mine. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 09:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Article title

Is The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, or The Rocky & Bullwinkle Show, a title invented for this comprehensive article? The lead should state clearly whether it is genuine. --P64 (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

It was invented after the show's original broadcast run (but not for Wikipedia) when there was need for a unified title for syndication etc... AnonMoos (talk) 18:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Oski Bear (Frostbite Falls) also likely a Berkeley reference

Oski Bear from Frostbite Falls Revue is almost certainly a reference to UC Berkeley's mascot 'Oski', considering Jay Ward graduated from UC Berkeley and named Bullwinkle after a local car dealership there. (I don't have time to find a source, just putting it out there for someone that can.) —Xyzzy☥the☥Avatar 06:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

In Oakland I knew someone named Bullwinkel who said the moose was named after his grandfather. —Tamfang (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Mr. Peabody's voice

Walter Tetley voiced Mr. Peabody. Pretty sure Daws Butler did Sherman as he did Aesop Jr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slothropgr (talk • contribs) 15:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Voicing Bullwinkle

I heard that Bill Scott ended up voicing Bullwinkle by default. When they were doing the first read-throughs of scripts, no one had yet been cast as Bullwinkle and Scott "filled in." His performance apparently impressed Jay Ward. When it came time to record the dialogue and Scott asked who was doing Bullwinkle, Ward informed Scott that he was. This is the story I heard, but I have no references. Anyone else know anything about this? Thanks. Jororo05 (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

If true, it's probably in "The Moose that Roared" book by Keith Scott (ISBN 0-312-19922-8); I flipped through it a little, and saw plenty about Val-Mar turmoil, but not what you mentioned... AnonMoos (talk) 18:34, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Infobox image

We need to have an image that uses one of the three actual titles of the show as given in the opening sentence, and not some unofficial title slapped onto a DVD. It's fine to include that image in the "Home media" section, but it clearly doesn't belong in the infobox. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Please Fix The Segments Link in The Sidebar

Where it says "No. of episodes 163 (326 Rocky & Bullwinkle segments)" that's fine. But then there is a link "(list of episodes)" which should read "(list of Rocky & Bullwinkle segments)" because that is where it leads. I do not know how to fix that. Please someone fix this. Also it would be nice if above that there was a link to the List of Rocky $ Bullwinkle Show episodes. I don't know if that page exists, but most other tv shows on Wikipedia are organized this way, and this is the article for the tv show, not the Rocky & Bullwinkle segments separately. Thank you whoever can fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.69.8 (talk) 21:14, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 10 November 2017

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– The TV series should be the primary topic since the video game is based on the series. Also the TV series has more reliable sources (one of the criteria for determining primary topic). --Mika1h (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME. The nom's rationale isn't quite right – which came first isn't actually relevant. But the TV show is overwhelmingly better known than the video game. See also WP:RECENTISM.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  05:31, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, this is one of the most obvious title moves known to man or moose. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:41, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - only a Boris or Natasha would vote otherwise. -- Netoholic @ 07:28, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
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New wrinkle

Now that another editor has inserted the original TV show logo, with the infobox now giving the original title The Adventures of Bullwinkle and Rocky, which is in opposition to the article title The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends, what are our options? This has nothing to do with the video game, but with consistency between the infobox title and the article title. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Inset Side Bar? "Title card"

There are Two (2) inset Side-Bar that say the same things, "Title card from the syndicated run under the title The Adventures of Bullwinkle and Rocky," and have the same picture. Is that correct?

albabe - The Writer/Artist Formally Known as Al Gordon 01:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Since I received no response, I removed the redundant Information.
albabe - The Writer/Artist Formally Known as Al Gordon 16:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

black-and-white

The early episodes may have been transmitted in black-and-white, but I think they were made in color... AnonMoos (talk) 18:45, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


for a "References" section:

https://rugrats.fandom.com/wiki/Blocky_%26_Oxwinkle

) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.183.228.14 (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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