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Flags[edit]

I think we should bring back the flags, as there is nothing against them in any policy. Thoughts? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FLAGS is the relevant policy not to use flags without good reason. --Masem (t) 19:21, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country or nationality. In this case the show is visiting these countries, and therefore the country is being represented on the show. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the policy, the flags in all seasons were already removed by Binksternet (talk · contribs) in August. ApprenticeWiki work 01:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When a television program sends contestants to a country, the visit is not an official state-sponsored event. The flag isn't appropriate. Don't use the flag as mere decoration. Binksternet (talk) 01:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many legs are sponsored by the Country's tourism board.... Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They're not 'decoration', they're informative. Shadow2 (talk) 00:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom vs. UK constituent countries[edit]

As I found out this added United Kingdom in the list and not constituent countries such as England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Should "United Kingdom" be used for now? ApprenticeFan ^work 00:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, we should limit to countries. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First line of its Wikipedia article states "Scotland is a country that is part of the United Kingdom." It's a country though not an independent country. Other headers list USVI, Guam, and French Polynesia even though they are not countries. Xoruz (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IDK, honestly open to anything at this point. I was trying to indicate countries only because each seasons says how many countries they visited. So perhaps how we list should be based on that? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Phil said 7 countries in the preview, and they have been announced (US, England, Scotland, Switzerland, France, Greece, and Portugal). Xoruz (talk) 01:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Results[edit]

The four teams who didn't return were not eliminated by any official outlet, the leaderboard shouldn't look how it does. I think this is an extenuating circumstance, perhaps an OUT or any non numerical indicator would suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.88.96 (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Former racers have mentioned the rule regarding a tie. Xoruz (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand their placements are not officially tied, but they did not place 8th through 11th on the 4th leg, because they did not participate in the 4th leg at all, and that's what the leaderboard is showing currently. I don't think the footnote is enough to maintain the consistency of the leaderboard with previous seasons, where players only get a placement within the column of a leg if they raced during it. I understand they placed 8th through 11th, but I think that can be insinuated just by the top-down order of the leaderboard without explicitly saying so. The final placements of teams technically do not have a designated spot to be shown on these leaderboards, because final placements usually (until now) match team's placement in the leg they are eliminated or win. I think excluding the disqualified teams' final placements from the leg 4 column and adding the footnote to their Leg 3 results keeps the leaderboard the most consistent with previous seasons, but an alternative solution could be keeping the final placements in Leg 4 and graying out their squares to indicate they did not race that leg. JenningsTheCrow (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like with Big Brother, each cell in a results table serves a purpose. Here, it's to report a team's placement in a given leg; any cell that's grayed out means that team did NOT participate in the leg. With that being said, I believe it's best to use a symbol next to the placements of the four teams who dropped out of the race and then make a note of what happened. Any suggestions? 9March2019 (talk) 01:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see a simple solution here: Mark the non-returning teams' final "placement" as "DNF"--meaning, "Did Not Finish," as is used most visibly in the Olympics. That box could probably be grayed out, possibly a lighter shade. Idol Thoughts (talk) 01:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the Roadblock limits, teams and placements all shifted over the shutdown, does it not make sense to have two separate tables? A clean one pre-shutdown with Leg 1-3 as per usual races and another from Leg 4 onwards with the new Roadblock counts, eliminated teams and remove anyone who didn't return. The current leaderboard is misleading in that four teams CHOSE not to return and doesn't clearly indicate what actually happened on the show in terms of the restart MissCindy (talk) 05:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source that (for example) Taylor & Isaiah finished in 11th? Teams have mentioned a rule about ties using previous leg's placements, yes, but they were talking about elimination. The rule has always been, as far as I know from contestant interviews, "If there's a tie for last place on an elimination leg, then the team who placed lower on the previous leg will be eliminated. This is a completely different circumstance to me. Four teams were just completely removed from the race, all at the same time. In my opinion, all four teams should be listed as "8th". Shadow2 (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And also, why are we doing this messy crap with the Roadblock count? Just list the totals, there's no need for the extra brackets. Keep the footnote saying the limit was reset, and then just list the teams' Roadblock count. As it's presented now it's extremely confusing to read. Shadow2 (talk) 00:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, the table looks too complicated for some readers and would necessitate a second table, with the four teams in question excluded. 9March2019 (talk) 00:02, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The results would be even more complicated with a second table. We don't need one. Shadow2 (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to help by putting a visible restart break in the table so that it should make better sense (I agree two tables are unneeded) --Masem (t) 21:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You guys keep trying to fix something that isn't broken... Shadow2 (talk) 08:08, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Shadow2: What do you think of doing something like this?

Team	Relationship	Position (by leg)											Roadblocks performed¹
Team	Relationship	1	2	3	4		5	6	7	8	9	10	Roadblocks performed¹
Ryan & Dusty	Best Friends	2nd	1st	2nd		1st							Ryan 2, Dusty 1
Kim & Penn	Internet Personalities	4th	5th	1st		2nd							Kim 1, Penn 2
Raquel & Cayla	Flight Attendants	3rd	4th	6th		3rd							Raquel 3, Cayla 0
Lulu & Lala	Twins/Radio Hosts	10th	10th	7th		4th							Lulu 2, Lala 1
Akbar & Sheri	Married Educators	6th	8th	9th		5th							Akbar 1, Sheri 2
Arun & Natalia	Father/Daughter	9th	3rd	10th³		6th							Arun 2, Natalia 1
Michael & Moe	Singing Police Officers	11th³				7th							Michael 0, Moe 1
Anthony & Spencer	Childhood Friends	1st	7th	3rd³									Anthony 1, Spencer 1
Connie & Sam	Married	7th²	2nd	4th³									Connie 1, Sam 1
Caro & Ray	Dating	5th	6th	5th³									Caro 1, Ray 1
Taylor & Isaiah	YouTube Sensations	8th	9th	8th³									Taylor 1, Isaiah 1

Green indicates the teams that continued, red indicates those that did not. ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 16:05, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One thing to consider with your solution is colors cannot be too vibrant for some readers, per MOS:COLOR. 9March2019 (talk) 22:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So there is no 9th, 8th, place, or giving a better graphic as to why those four teams are no longer in the competition, rather than the footnote explanation, which isn't good enough. It just jumps to 7th. That's the part I'm still angry about, as the other four teams still have been "eliminated", just due to outside competition reasons. I don't know. I feel like continuing this ignorance/edit war and editing the table myself to something better. Really complicated season of TAR. Smh. lol. Bronoton (talk) 20:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tie[edit]

I repeat, what is the source that Taylor & Isaiah finished in 11th as opposed to just a four-way tie for 8th? Former racers have revealed the method for determining who is eliminated in the event of a tie, but that logic does not apply here. The table looks great as a it currently stands, but the four orange placements should all read "8th". (We can keep the ordering as is for simplicity's sake) Shadow2 (talk) 03:49, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer having those cells grayed out because the four teams did NOT compete in the fourth leg. Placements should only be used for teams that participated in any given leg, just like how cells in Big Brother's voting history tables are used for casting eviction votes (if eligible), unless otherwise noted below. The note below the results here can explain more in detail about this unprecedented situation. 9March2019 (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I've made those changes. Bgsu98 (talk) 05:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Church visited in Leg 8[edit]

This looks like a clear match to the church that was visited on this leg [1]. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The wrapper said "Saint George Church Heraklea". This is the church in the episode. There is a Saint George Church in Nea Moudania, but it is not the one shown. Nea Moudania was also never mentioned. Xoruz (talk) 01:17, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From the episode. That matches with the church from Xoruz' link. --Masem (t) 01:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Bottom[edit]

The episode name "Rock Bottom" was name dropped by one of Ryan/Dusty in the 10th episode. Since this wasn't the 9th episode, not sure if you count it as them naming it or not. -153.33.150.165 (talk) 14:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the episode title quote section to reflect this. Penguin407 (talk) 10:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Roadblock prompts[edit]

We should probably be including the Roadblock prompts somewhere on the page, like we do for the Detour names. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:8180:F6C:F812:800F (talk) 21:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Stifle (talk) 10:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This should be done for ALL seasons of The Amazing Race, not just this one. 9March2019 (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Roadblock prompts are listed out when you mouseover the Roadblock icon on the page. Or at least, they used to be. However, those mouseover boxes don't work anymore because of the Wikipedia UI upgrade, because now it just shows a preview of the The Amazing Race page. In the page (for example) we have an icon coded out using: {{TAR clue|Detour|Artist Den|Digiben}} which is supposed to make something like "Detour (Artist Den or Digiben)" appear when you mouseover it, but instead all you see is this, which looks awkward, is not helpful, and renders the mouseover arguments in the TAR clue template unused. I brought this up in 2018 but nobody bothered to answer (forgot to log in, but that was me)...Shadow2 (talk) 03:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]