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This page was nominated for deletion on 14 September 2016. The result of the discussion was retarget.

To the Person Replacing Primary Sources and Direct Quotes with Secondary Sources[edit]

I am asking you to stop abusing the edit system and leave the direct quotes from the book where they are. Wikipedia is no place for opinion in an article. The old sources were secondhand and they were inaccurate. The edit places the EXACT quotes so that people may decide for themselves. If you have sources that can refute what was ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE BOOK, I'd be happy to discuss. C.horakh (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We are open to possible changes but not to deletion of RS. Your citations from a primary source are classic original research, a forbidden abuse of primary sources. You may or may not be right, but don't edit war over it. We should now discuss and reach a consensus version. Please propose your additions right here in this thread and we'll discuss them. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the material that the other individual used to push their own opinion. Here are facts and opposing ones at that. The user should decide what to believe. We just supply facts. C.horakh (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From my talk page:

Don't edit war. We are not allowed to use primary sources in the way you did. Secondary RS take primacy over primary sources. Don't edit war...EVER. Don't restore your original version when it has been rejected (in this case by reversion). That's edit warring. You have little experience and risk getting blocked. I generously offered a suggestion to try adding your content under the original content so we could see how it works. That may have been too generous as I'm not sure your changes don't violate our policies. Now back off if you want to make any more edits at Wikipedia or your visit here will come to an end very quickly. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion pieces in secondary RS take precedence over content found in primary sources by editors. We are not authorities. We are not allowed to use OR to right great wrongs we find in content here. We depend primarily on secondary sources rather than primary sources.

That doesn't mean that secondary sources can't get it wrong. That does happen, and we usually fix that situation by using other RS that discover and comment on the discrepancy. No matter what, edit warring is never right and many a potentially good editor has been blocked because they are unwilling to collaborate with other editors and just plow ahead with edit warring as a way to force their preferred version. That never works. I don't want to see that happen to you. You may have a good point to make, so let's find a way to do it properly without any OR. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to back off for now and let other editors deal with this newbie's personal attacks, edit warring, and refusal to collaborate. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]