Talk:The Apache Software Foundation

History, Jakarta, voting, relationships

It would be good to see a bit more history for this article. Also discussions regarding the controversies around the naming of the "Jakarta" subproject shortly before the jakarta civil war coupled with he use of native american symbols. The relationship between IBM-Apache and that multiple IBM employees sit on the Apache board. It would also be good to see information about the process of voting, the method used. The orgnizations strong stances on licensing, its heated discussions with the Free Software Foundation. Its relationship with Covalent, JBoss, Inc, Sourcecast, Tigris, etc should also be documented. In short this reads like more of an ad. I'd like to see a thourogh and balanced article.

Seconded. This article comes across as something that the corporation wants to be known, rather than what developers and users would want to know. Especially important are the ties to other corporations. How many IBM, Sun, Weblogic developers are working on various projects. Who suggest new projects. Who has contributed code? Who chooses board members, etc. 62.242.39.226 14:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is any deliberate intent to mislead, just nobody has sat down to write it all. The history would be good. Board members are chosen by apache members on a yearly basis; the voting is secret. Apache members are voted in by other members, nominations come from active committers. It is the membership that is is in charge, not any vendor, not IBM. Infrastructure is run by volunteers, also drawn from the committer base, and usually hosts everything on FreeBSD systems, except for the OS X and Solaris boxes. User:SteveLoughran

Muse

Came here looking for info on Muse. Let's keep the project list current yah? Mathiastck (talk) 18:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect Link

The link for "Santuario: XML Security in Java and C++" takes you to an article for a town in Antioquia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.49.51 (talk) 09:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed, by changing it to a red link to Apache Santuario. 192.234.16.2 (talk) 02:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Other similar organizations

Bcwilmot (talk) 08:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC) I'd think it appropriate that other organizations providing open source code to be cross linked here.

I'm researching now, and re-post if if find other Wikipedia sources.

Experts on this subject are encouraged to add comments to aid my research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcwilmot (talk • contribs) 08:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

There are *many* open source foundations. Cross-linking would be too heavy. I'd suggest a Category instead. Gstein (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. Already done: Category:Free_and_open-source_software_organizations Gstein (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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Suggestion for improvement

As a class assignment I was asked to review and try to improve this article. I did some research on the following sentence in the History section flagged for not having a citation:

The name 'Apache' was chosen from respect for the Native American Apache Nation, well known for their superior skills in warfare strategy and their inexhaustible endurance. It also makes a pun on "a patchy web server"—a server made from a series of patches—but this was not its origin. The group of developers who released this new software soon started to call themselves the "Apache Group".[citation needed]

I found out that the citation to this sentence is already included in the article:

12."How the ASF works". Apache Software Foundation. 2010. Archived from the original on 22 July 2010. Retrieved 2010-04-08.

--Avardaneg (talk) 21:00, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion for improvement - Apache name

The details around the origin of the 'Apache' name don't seem quite right. The article states that 'a patchy server' was just a pun, but the basis was respect for the Native American Apache Nation. However, I found an Apache FAQ on web.archive.org that seems to indicate that 'a patchy server' actually was the basis for the name. The article in question is: http://web.archive.org/web/19970106233141/http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.207.78.4 (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah the "respect for apache nation" thing isn't quite true. Apache was used as a pun on the fact that the web server was based on the old NCSA web server with a metric tonne of patches to get it production stable. It was "A PATCHey server". I won't wade into any discussions on if its an appropriate name. I think thats a matter for folks from the Apache nation to decide, not busybody white liberals like myself, and certainly outside the remit of wikipedia. But the chosen out of respect thing is kind of nonsense, and I think everyone knows that. It was a pun from a time before people where really that knowledgable about how first nation folks think about such matters. Thats not to say it was a *malicious* choice, the 1990s where a more naive time. But still, lets be honest about it. Duckmonster (talk) 04:09, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

There is more about this at Apache HTTP Server#Name. In particular, it says "Official documentation used to give this explanation of the name, but in a 2000 interview, Brian Behlendorf, one of the creators of Apache, set the record straight". So I think you found the "official documentation" in question. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 21:50, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Maybe it is unnecessary for the Wikipedia page on the ASF to tell the story of the name. It would be honest, and enough in my estimation to say that the foundation took its name from the seminal web server project. A wiki link to Apache HTTP Server would provide a further research lead, and the Apache HTTP Server#Name section can tell the story as it should. An indirection is better than dishonest revisionism. The ugly truth is that the ASF name is a bad pun, and deserves to be treated as a slur. Whether the ASF appropriates tribal symbols or not or respectfully gives them voice or not is for the ASF, not Wikipedia. --aphor (talk) 02:29, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

With native americans speaking up against the use of the name Apache (see: https://blog.nativesintech.org/apache-appropriation/ ) and an on going petition I think one could add a section desribing the conflict and critical reception of the name. Cy23 (talk) 10:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Review-Class Assignment

The following are some of the improvements to be made to the article

1. The introduction of the article can be improved a lot as they only mentioned less about the foundation and their terms and conditions
2. The history section can be a improved a lot with more references as they mentioned only the date when ASF was formed but didn't mentioned where it was formed(origin,place).
3. The projects can also be improved a lot by listing how they grant the projects and how they work on the projects with good references.
4. The Financial section has to be improved as they mentioned only one financial year. They also mentioned about infrastructure, public section in financial section but didn't mention how the ASF was connected to public section and didn't clearly mentioned on what infrastructure they have invested.
5. Different sub sections can be added with good references such as operations, products and services, goals,initiatives etc.

The formation of the ASF can be get from following article Severance, C. (October 29, 2012). The apache software foundation: Brian behlendorf. Computer, 45, 10, 8-9. Sai varma sarikonda (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions

The article was assigned me as a class assignment to suggest improvements. After studying the article i found the information in projects section and financials section is limited and needs to be extend. I can suggest some contents to be added to this article. The contents are as below, Achievements- to list down the foundation achievements till date. Public relation- To explain the ASF public relation and requirements. I am providing reference to support public relation section.

Gharehyazie, M., Posnett, D., Vasilescu, B., & Filkov, V. (October 01, 2015). Developer initiation and social interactions in OSS: A case study of the Apache Software Foundation. Empirical Software Engineering : an International Journal, 20, 5, 1318-1353. --Cranjithkumarreddy (talk) 03:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

More suggestions for improvement

While the list of software projects under the Apache Foundation is enormous and deserving of a separate article, it would be nice to mention at least some of the notable ones somewhere in this article to give readers a little context in terms of the organisation's reach. Currently, httpd seems to be the only one mentioned at all.

Possible candidates: Ant, Beam, Cassandra, CouchDB, Flex, Hadoop, Lucene/Solr, Maven, OpenOffice, Subversion, Tcl, Tomcat - I'm not sure if I'm the best judge of notability, have I missed anything obvious? (Note: this is "notable enough to be mentioned here" rather than the typical Wikipedia notability criteria - these are all already included on Wikipedia, obviously)

I'm guessing the intro text would be the best place to mention a few of these?

5.149.172.74 (talk) 10:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

*The* Apache Software Foundation?

Article title includes the definite article "The". This is unusual. Is there a good reason for it? cagliost (talk) 15:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes. The "The" is actually part of the registered legal name of the organization. You'll see that we list is as part of the name on apache.org and in all of our publications. Rbowen2000 (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lathivik, Cranjithkumarreddy, Sai varma sarikonda. Peer reviewers: Avardaneg.

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