Talk:The Beautiful Letdown

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A fact from The Beautiful Letdown appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that songs in The Beautiful Letdown are "chunky", "gentle", and "nois[y]"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Beautiful Letdown.

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To get people started.

- Pandacomics 17:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Hog Farm _Talk 14:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this, but it'll probably be Wednesday or Thursday before I can get to it. I remember listening to a lot of the songs off of this album on the local K-LOVE transmitter in somewhere around the '03 or '04 timeframe. Hog Farm _Talk 19:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"the hotel didn't allow the band" - recommend avoiding the contraction

Done. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Breimeier, Russ. "The Beautiful Letdown - Switchfoot". Christianity Today. Archived from the original on January 15, 2009. Retrieved June 18, 2019." - this is flagging a reference error. I think you need to move the archived url to a |archive-url parameter, and then put in the original url as the |url= parameter. The link can then be marked as dead in the citation template if relevant
Corrected. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"musically similar to the work of John Mayer" - should this comparison be attributed to the reviewer?
Done. 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
"tempo mixed with "elements of hard rock"" - I think this quote ought to be attributed
Done. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"HM writer Doug van Pelt awarded the album 2.5 out of 5 stars, while managing editor David Allen gave it 2 out of 5 stars" - having read through the source for this, I think it seems like it's possible there's the original review from Van Pelt and Allen somewhere that would give what they thought about it, which would help with context more than just throwing out the star ratings (of course, such a review may have only been internally published, an informal discussion, or no longer accessible)
It's a bit roundabout, but citation 18 in the article already links to the HM review. The problem I had here was that the initial web review does not include the star ratings. This is almost certainly in the print issue, which I don't have. Conveniently, however, the same reviewer identified both review scores in citation 28, which is why that is used as the citation for star ratings. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"with 70% of its opening-week sales coming from Christian bookstores." - any way you can think of to rephrase this to avoid the close paraphrasing from the source (70% of its sales coming from Christian bookstores ...)
I've reworded slightly to try and fix the paraphrasing issue ("70% of sales came from Christian bookstores"). Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a WP:LIMITED situation - I can't come up with a way to rephrase either of these without dropping the 70% fact or the bookstores fact, so I don't think there's any way around this. Hog Farm _Talk 14:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"and it has been certified gold by Music Canada, indicating shipments of 50,000 copies" - not seeing 50,000 on the cited webpage, and This page would suggest that Gold actually only means 40,000
That's a bit of an oddity. They actually changed the album certifications in 2008 - pre-2008 gold albums are 50k, while post-2008 ones have a 40k threshold. I've added this citation to both the article and certification table. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What makes New Release Today a reliable source
See below
Other sources look ok for reliability
Spot-checked a good quantity of sources during the review, noted only two minor issues mentioned above
Image is licensed appropriately

I think that's all from me for now. Hog Farm _Talk 00:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the speedy review! I'll deal with the rest tomorrow when I have time but for New Release Today, Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian music/Sources has regarded it as such for a long time and I've used it in many GAs. They have an editorial team and frequently interview major Christian artists. Their awards show is attended by prominent Christian music artists. In other words, they're pretty well-regarded in the industry and fairly reliable. Toa Nidhiki05 01:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All other issues should be resolved now, Hog Farm. Let me know if you need more detail on New Release Today or if I should remove the references. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that songs in The Beautiful Letdown are "chunky", "gentle", and "nois[y]"?

Source: Loftus, Johnny. "The Beautiful Letdown". Allmusic. "So, while "Meant to Live" approaches the chunky grandeur ..."

Breimeier, Russ. "The Beautiful Letdown - Switchfoot". Christianity Today. Archived from the original on January 15, 2009. Retrieved June 18, 2019. "Things turn somewhat worshipful with the gentle and beautiful ballad "On Fire," ..."

Glauber, Gary (August 5, 2013). "Switchfoot: The Beautiful Letdown". PopMatters. ""Adding To The Noise”, a compact little ditty that’s radio-ready in its anti-radio message, decrying modern humanity’s speed and greed, the endless hype and media noise surrounding us daily."

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lynch/Oz
- Comment: This is for April Fools' day (hope it's not too late!)

Improved to Good Article status by Toa Nidhiki05 (talk). Nominated by MyCatIsAChonk (talk) at 14:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Beautiful Letdown; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Promoted to good article (3/23/23) so it meets the criteria for inclusion at DYK. Earwig alerts to a long quote and song titles so copyright violations are not detected. The article uses the correct inline citations throughout. The hook is interesting, cited and in the article. The exception in the hook is "noise". for my part, I can make the leap from noise, to the song title "Adding to the Noise" and I hope others can as well. The QPQ is done and the article is comprehensive and neutral. Not sure we need the brackets around the y, as it is distracting, I will leave that to the hook tweakers. Bruxton (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]