Talk:The Moonshine Jungle Tour/GA1

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Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 07:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Don't feel obligated but I also have a music related GAN (M2M (band)) if you're interested. Freikorp (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to make adjustments to the issues I've raised so far or you are also welcome to wait until my review is completely finished. I've decided to just do copyediting myself rather than point out minor mistakes. If you disagree with any of my edits please feel free to revert them and we'll just discuss the issue instead. Freikorp (talk) 10:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   Lead

   "The Moonshine Jungle Tour was the second concert tour" - what was the first?

   On second thoughts I suppose since this info is in the infobox it isn't a big deal. Freikorp (talk) 01:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

   "It was Mars' first world tour to not reach South America." This seems really out of place. Move it to fit in with other information about where the tour went.

   "After an official announcement on February 10, 2013, which was coincidentally with Mars performance at the 55th Annual Grammy Awards" - this isn't clear, did the announcement happen at the Grammy's or just on the same day? Suggest rewording to "which conicided with Mars performance" in the case of the latter.

   "Mars and his team started selected" Huh? Do you mean his team started selecting?

   "the former act was replaced" suggest you just say Williams instead of former act, but up to you.

   Suggest rewording to "Mars' well received performance at the Super Bowl XLVIII halftime show led to a frenzy in ticket scalping

   What is a Pollstar award and what makes it notable? I know it's inactive, but have a read of Wikipedia:Notability (awards). If the award does not meet notability guidelines I suggest removing all mention of it.

   "With the commencement of the Moonshine Jungle Tour, a wide-ranging audience thronged to attend." What are you trying to say here?

   Trying to say that elderly and even babies, teens, adults...everyone basically at any ages attended to the several concerts. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   I've reworded this. As with all my edits feel free to revert them and instead discuss an alternative solution. Freikorp (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

   Background

   "One of the various points that was subject of attention was the sells of the front seats first and only afterwards the back seats. Otherwise the front seats were too expensive. The Moonshine Jungle Tour did not experienced any of that." If you're trying to say what I think you're trying to say, I suggest "One of the various points that was subject of attention was the decision to sell the front seats prior to the back seats". I don't understand how doing otherwise would make the front seats too expensive; please explain. You then go on to say "The Moonshine Jungle Tour did not experienced any of that." What did they not experience? Are you trying to say they didn't experience any of the front seats being too expensive?

   Yes exactly. Bad choice of words I guess. I amended it with your suggestion and some working on the phrase. Take another look there. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   "more seats were added on the venues due to overwhelmingly strong ticket sales." Which venues? All of them?

   Doesn't go into that much detail, I can remove the information if you want. Because I can't find the information in the source provided for it.

   Consider whether your block quote is absolutely necessary. Can you instead integrate a small quote or paraphrase directly into regular prose? If you keep the block quote I suggest changing it to Template:Quote box format so you can add in author attribution. Also you need an inline citation directly after the quote.

   "Nevertheless, not only was the album released later than expected, but many tours were already scheduled in the first quarter of the year." Which album are you talking about? Many tours were also scheduled? From whom and where?

   It doesn't say which tours, so can't make up stuff, please take a look at the sources before these kind of suggestions.

   "This led to the tour being delayed until summertime." Summertime where? Summer in North America occurs at a different time to other parts of the world.

   "Notwithstanding, he has had fruitful results with artists who toured during the first quarter." If you're saying what I think you're trying to say here, I suggest rewording to "Notwithstanding, Marx has run successful tours with several artists during the first quarter".

   Development

   For the show, Mars was taking "it from the past and bring[ing] it to today". What does that mean? It might help clarify the meaning if you attribute who this quote is from.

   I don't think so, its from his manager. Doesn't seem very helpful.

   I suggest you remove it. I think it will only confuse readers. Freikorp (talk) 01:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

   In order to save delaying this article being promoted for a day over one minor issue I'm just going to remove it myself. Freikorp (talk) 01:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

   I don't understand what you mean by 180/24/270 degrees. I assume this is some kind of arc from which seating is available in front of the stand. Do you think you could explain this to the reader somehow? Perhaps saying "before selling seats in over a 180-degree arc from the stage?"

   Take a look at it.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   Concert Synopsis

   "Most of the opening acts were satisfactory, but never outshined Mars." According to whom? If "most" of them were satisfactory, which ones were not? And surely some of the opening acts were considered to be better than "satisfactory".

   "Eventually, everyone in the crowd was jamming with the band" - I feel this is un-encyclopeadic wording. And why only eventually? Were they indifferent about the music at first? How about something more along the lines of "the crowd responded enthusiastically to the music".

   "as Mars and his band swing with the fans." What does swinging with the fans mean?

   "Afterwards, the stage would be colored with red, yellow and green" - I assume you're referring to lighting here? If so it would be a good idea to mention they were red, yellow and green lights.

   "Locked Out of Heaven", sung uncontrollably" - how is a song sung "uncontrollably"?

   "was an outstanding and boundless performance" - this sounds like POV. If it's a direct quote I suggest you add quote marks.

   "Mars sung insanely" - again, how does one sing "insanely"? I suggest you use less dramatic descriptions.

   "Gorilla,".. is clearly a favorite of Mars', as he lost his mind while" → suggestion?

   As only one of the three citations mentions his singing style, and does so in a way that isn't clear, I suggest just removing the word 'insanely'. I've just done this myself. Freikorp (talk) 01:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

   "OMG THIS IS GREAT" - does this need to be caps?

   Take a look now. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   Equipment

   No problems.

   Critical response

   "Mikael Wood, Los Angeles Times writer," - suggest instead "Mikael Wood of the Los Angeles Times"

   "was the catalog of number one records he left of the live show and still make it impressive." what you're trying to say here isn't clear. Is it meant to say "left off the live show"?

   "and add the band name, The Hooligans, on the ticket, as well." What is he complaining about here? That the Hooligans were on the ticket or not on it?

   "Farber compared Mars and Jackson as both of them are pure entertainers" - need quote marks for 'pure entertainers'.

   As per the lead comments, what makes the Pollstar award notable?

   Well acording to what you psoted to serve as guideline. It has his own wikipage, the awards show has been held at least since 1992 (probably before but I didn't make a huge research on that), different artist have been nominated at it. Publications such as Chicago Tribune, Billboard and so on make echo of the awards show. So it seems pretty notable to me. Please take a look at this. I will start to make the changes you suggested. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:01, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   Ok. I searched wiki for "Pollstar Award", and found nothing, but I didn't think to search for just Pollstar. I suggest you link it as Pollstar Award. Freikorp (talk) 12:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   Commercial performance

   "minimum of 7,000 tickets sold instantly per city" - maybe I'm getting too literal, but I'm sure they weren't sold "instantly". Suggest more realistic wording or quote marks if it is a quote.

   what does "bullish" mean?

   optimistic, replaced. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   "a stage that did not make justice to the singer" - in what way did it not make justice for him?

   "We had a one-plus-one in Denver at [Red Rocks Amphitheatre], which we actually chose … because [Pepsi Center] in Denver doesn’t really cut down." → this is what it says. He doesn't furthered what he means by that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   I've reworded this accordingly. Freikorp (talk) 22:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   "since its capacity was increased to 16,000 and sold 14,000" - are you saying its capacity was increased to 16,000 only AFTER the 14,000 tickets had been sold?

   I don't think so. According to the quote "We increased the capacity to 16,000 and sold out 14,000".

   "The total sum of cash was above $1 million per each night" - you need to clarify that this was the money taken for ticket sales (assuming that's what it is), and you need to specify whether it is in US dollars or Australian.

   It really doesn't say if its US dollars or Australian. Nevertheless, BB biz publishes the amounts of tour dates in US dollars, but that would be my own conclusions and not the article ones. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   "the previous record was established in 2009" - I don't think it's helpful to mention this unless you add who made the last record. How many people attended the previous record would be helpful too.

   Fixed.

   Set list, Shows and Personnel

   All good

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

   As per section one comments

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   As per section one comments

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I will wait until you finish the review is easier for both of us. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm placing this one on hold until the above issues are addressed. As a last note copyright violation detector should be under 30% for each source. One of your articles from Billboard hits 38% [1]. You'll have to either trim or axe one of your direct quotes from this source accordingly. Freikorp (talk) 07:46, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Take a look now. I think we did it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@Freikorp: why did you revert all the edits I made to improve the article as you suggested? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't mean to do that. I'm not sure what happened. I'll fix it. Freikorp (talk) 22:44, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I think it happened because we're both editing the article at the same time. After I fix this I'll take a break and check back on it in a few hours instead. Freikorp (talk) 22:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I believe I fixed everything, I'm just missing some parts of the leading. Yes then please take a overall look to see if everything checks out. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Everything looks good. As per my above comments rather than wait I decided to make a couple minor changes myself. Well done on the article. Freikorp (talk) 01:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much. You added shouted with caps lock, I fixed that. Everything else looks great. Thank you for your time. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.