Talk:The Proposition (2005 film)

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Wrong link[edit]

The link for "Richard Wilson" leads to a different Richard Wilson than the one who appeared in this film. The Richard Wilson of "The Proposition" was born in 1984.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.....?[edit]

....not too sure about the expression "...proposes a proposition...". Is this included ironically, or is it just rather lax English....? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.68.95 (talk) 02:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Genre[edit]

HappyWaldo, I'm happy to leave out the second genre, but the lead is the only place for genre and because of the work I'd done on "meat pie" Westerns and the associated discussion about and challenges to terminology, felt that it was worth adding here, with citation. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:28, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Proposition is a hard one to neatly categorise, so I can understand your approach. Per WP:FILMLEAD, "The opening sentence should identify ... the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified". A quick Google search shows that a number of critics have lumped The Proposition in with the meat pie genre, but it's definitely not the "primary genre". Most critics simply call it a western. - HappyWaldo (talk) 06:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The terms "bushranger film", "Australian Western" and "kangaroo Western" redirect to Meat pie Western at the moment, and there's quite a bit of discussion about the term (and overlay with other genres) in the sources there. Do you prefer "Australian Western", or just want to stick with bushranger film? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's my understanding that the "bushranger film" tag describes Australian westerns concerned with Australian themes (inevitably bushranging), while "meat pie" films borrow more heavily from American westerns. Perhaps the definitions have evolved over time and now the bushranger film is considered a subgenre of the meat pie western(?) - HappyWaldo (talk) 11:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, but... It's complicated. Wikipedia has a category for bushranger films which is a sub-category of Australian Western (genre) films. The three main articles I used when updating the Meat pie article (see Cooke, Hamilton and Lennon), especially the former two, discuss the finer points at length. I guess we'll see where the literature takes the terminology in the next ten years. I must watch this film again, it's been a long while. The only reference to bushrangers I can see in the plot line is "the infamous Burns brothers gang", which I gather is fictional. (A thought - perhaps there should be a Wikilink to bushranger added to this sentence?) I haven't seen most of the older Westerns myself. Many of the newer meat pie/Australian/bushranger Westerns are also revisionist Westerns, in their re-examination of colonial history, settlers' relationships with Aboriginal people, etc. I guess it's about how much of this one wants to include in the articles about individual films. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:22, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]