Talk:The Shires (duo)

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Requested move 6 January 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus below, and changing The Shires to redirect to Shire (disambiguation) since there is multiple possible targets, none of which are primary. No consensus on the change of (country duo) to simply (duo), feel free to relist that if further discussion is warranted or desired. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Shires (country duo) → The Shires – Already redirects here. Unreal7 (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (which this duo is not); the target has only recently (22 October 2015‎) been repointed here, the Shires should instead repoint to go to Shire (disambiguation) along with all the other uses of "The Shires is" and "The Shires are" from Google Books. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bernard Newman Portrait of the Shires 1968 - Page 10 "The Shires is a recognized term, but is nevertheless somewhat vague. The three counties included in the expression are Leicestershire, Rutland and Northamptonshire. Several packs which hunt within these limits are not supposed, however, ..."

Strong oppose the target was changed in October 2015, prior to that, for 7 years, it was a different target. The redirect should become a disambiguation page. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Shires should actually redirect to Shire (disambiguation). It was (and sometimes still is) a very common term used to refer to the English countryside (as opposed to London and the other industrial towns). -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Move to The Shires (duo), no other duo to be distinguished from. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 03:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"Shire"[edit]

The article says:

"Shire" is the original term for what is usually now known as a county in the United Kingdom.

But the OED says of shire:

In Old English times, an administrative district, consisting of a number of smaller districts (‘hundreds’ or ‘wapentakes’), united for purposes of local government, and ruled jointly by an ealdorman and a sheriff, who presided in the SHIRE-MOOT n. Under Norman rule, the division of England into shires was continued, the Anglo-Norman counté, Anglo-Latin comitatus, being adopted as the equivalent of the English term.

Sounds a lot smaller than a county. How small? I don't know. But "Shire" does say:

In Domesday (1086) the city of York was divided into shires.

The "Shire" article also doesn't suggest that the term was used anywhere in Ireland. -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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