Talk:The Titan's Curse/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

#:: The prose is not very well written at present. Examples:

1. In the Lead, four sentences start with It.

   Explain hippocamp at first introduction, just wiki-linking is not enough.

   Explain Pan is a god and wiki-link.

   Explain (and possibly spell correctly worm snacher.

   She dies during her successful attempt to destroy it. I expect that you mean after she destroys it.

   In San Francisco, they learn that Bessie the Ophiotaurus is the monster they seek, for sacrificing it and burning its entrails will give them power to destroy Olympus. - because sacrificing is better; perhaps wiki-link Olympus.

   They continue to the place where Atlas held up the sky - does this place have a name?

   In a battle between Thalia and Luke, Luke falls off a cliff; Percy assumes that Luke is dead, but he is told by Annabeth, and later confirmed by Poseidon, that he has survived - overly complex sentence - suggest splitting. Suggest replacing In a battle by During a battle.

   kidnapped. I would suggest American English spelling should be consistently used as the author is American.

   Titans needs wiki-linking on its first mention in the Plot: section.

   Awards and nominations: WP:MOS deprecates lists.

   Suggest giving the article a thorough copy-edit for prose style.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   A self published source such as ref #1 [1]] is not reliable for referencing the awards. It is only good for sourcing the author's opinions.

   ref #3 [2] Amazon is not a reliable source. Source the original reviews not Amazon.

   likewise ref #6 [3] Barnes and Noble.

   It would be good to try and find some better sourcing as what you have here is merely publishers blurbs, many quoted second hand, and reprints of reviews on book store sites.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold for seven days for above issues to be fixed. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

   OK, I think the article passes muster now. I am happy to list this as a good article. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments

References

I've been trying to look up refs, but I can't cite, say, BookList, directly. I have to be subscribed, which I'm not. I did Google Search "The Titan's Curse" a few months back while cleaning this article up and filtered through hundreds of sites; most were junk. I'll continue to search; do you have any suggestions? Airplaneman ^talk 05:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Try Google News, or you could go to a library and use their access to on-line newspaper archives, I found these using Google News: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10](all found in five minuts googling). I note that the book does not appear in Amazon's 2007 best list at [11], and it doesn't appear in USA Today's Best seller's of 2007 [12]. This is an example of why we need WP:RS. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've never used Google News before, and will try it. I'll clean up the article accordingly tomorrow. Thanks again, Airplaneman ^talk 05:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I know that Amazon and B&N aren't the best sources, but I haven't been able to find better ones for those reviews. I agree that Riordan's site can't be used to cite the awards, and have fixed the article accordingly. However, is it possible that I keep the Amazon and B&N sources and use them just to cite the reviews? I am aware that they are not the preferred sources, but I highly doubt that they are partisan. Another way to fix it is to delete those unsourced reviews and find others (such as the Guardian one in the links you found). I'd like to keep those reviews, though, if possible.Airplaneman ^talk 06:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

If you can't find a review online or on paper then you can't cite it in a second hand way via Amazon. taht is quite clear. Spend some time googling or access a university or public library and use their subscriptions to get what you need. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the tips and for reviewing this article. I look forward to working with you in the future! Regards, Airplaneman ^talk 05:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Prose

 Done for the most part. Will copyedit soon. Airplaneman ^talk 05:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Note: worm snatcher was most likely vandalism, as I, a reader of the book myself, have no idea what it means. Airplaneman ^talk 05:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm so glad you said that! Because I, as another reader, was thoroughly confused by it. Still, it was originally "worm snacher" so "worm snatcher" seemed slightly more possible. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 21:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, I looked into "the place where Atlas held up the sky" and couldn't find an actual designation for it. Unfortunately, I don't have immediate access to the book, but I will look at it when I can and correct that if someone else hasn't already. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I have the book and will look it up ASAP... somewhere in California... what's a mountain close to San Francisco? Airplaneman ^talk 03:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Just found that it's called the Mountain of Despair in the summary on Percy Jackson & the Olympians, so I changed it to that. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response; I found it in the paperback version on page 275. It's Mount Tamalpais, in Marin County, California (p. 250). That's where, at the top of Mount Tamalpais, Mt. Othrys, the Titan capital, is (pp. 258-259). It's the same concept as Mt. Olympus, except Titanized. It's where Atlas is holding up the sky, as well (p. 259, Zoe says it). I think it's where the Garden of Hesperides is. Crammed place... So... yea. Anyway, I'll go ahead and add the info. Airplaneman ^talk 21:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)