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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that The Ugly Black Bird, a Polish book that successfully discredited the autobiographical value of Kosiński's The Painted Bird, initially received mostly very negative reviews? Source: https://brill.com/display/book/9789004521926/BP000009.xml for the first claim (discredited); https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1994/10/10/kosinskis-war and https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=Gm1vEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA284&dq=%22Czarny+ptasior%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ87Hz7seEAxVtZfUHHaVNAPUQ6AF6BAgMEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Czarny%20ptasior%22&f=false for the latter (negative reviews)

ALT0a: ... that The Ugly Black Bird, a Polish book that discredited the autobiographical value of Kosiński's The Painted Bird, initially received mostly negative reviews?

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Raḥamim (newspaper)

Created by Piotrus (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 506 past nominations.

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_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The article needs more clarity. From the article, it doesn't appear that Kosinski ever claimed that the characters in the book represent the "Polish nation". Where does the interpretation that his book "unfairly slanders the Polish nation" come from? (t · c) buidhe 06:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, I think that ALT0 as written should not be accepted because of unnecessary and subjective modifiers, ie what differentiates a negative review from a very negative one? (t · c) buidhe 20:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720, I was not pinged, so I did not see the message (my watchlist is so cluttered it is next to unusable...). The hook does not mention "Polish nation". and in either case, I see User:Buidhe copyedited a relevant sentence in the article (thank you), so the problem (if there was any in the first place) seems fixed. I see ALT0a was proposed removing the word "very", which seems reasonable - I am fine with that. Just in case, I'll propose ALT1 using the quote directly from the cited source. As for negative reviews, this is clearly attributed to a reliable source: "According to Monika Adamczyk-Garbowska, Polish reviews were "more negative than favourable".[8]: 293" and refs are given above, so I do not see a problem. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0b: ... that The Ugly Black Bird, a Polish book that discredited the autobiographical value of Kosiński's The Painted Bird, initially received reviews that were "more negative than favourable"?

I don't object to this proposed hook. (t · c) buidhe 01:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the oldest unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough. ALT0b is technically short enough, interesting, and appears to be cited to refs 1 and 8, one of which is offline and the other is in Polish, so AGF. No maintenance templates found or required; though the lead is a bit short, I think it escapes needing {{lead too short}}. Earwig is rightfully quiet and QPQ done. Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 12:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1993 or 1994[edit]

The initial article about this book on pl wiki stated it was published first in 1993, but this seems an error occasionally repeated in sources. All library catalogues (ex. worldcat or Polish National Library [1]) and such have only 1994 as the date. See also discussion at pl:Dyskusja:Czarny_ptasior#1993_czy_1994? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]