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Wessex Scene article[edit]

The Wessex Scene article by Samuel Gilonis used as a source to describe the movement is insufficient to bear much weight. An article by a student journalist for a UK student paper is a weak primary source for fact and not meriting notice as opinion. Martinlc (talk) 08:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the Headline of The Zeitgeist Movement Page[edit]

The Zeitgeist Movement (TZM) is a global social movement founded in 2008 by Peter Joseph that is described as promoting a critical utopian vision to work towards a global consciousness as a part of the larger alter-globalization movement. The movement places an emphasis on the scientific method to rid the world of ideological divisions to "develop a system of human equality, thriving from the cooperation and balance of technology and nature."^[1]^[2]Chaos Gentleman (talk) 18:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No hyperlinks in wikitext, please. "Peter Joseph" may be a redlink.
scribd.com is not a reliable source.
Passive voice: "is described as" is poor writing - who describes it?

Elizium23 (talk) 19:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears it was re-added without ever addressing these basic issues. As this paper lacks any indication that it was published by an outlet with a positive reputation for accuracy and fact-checking, I have removed this grad student paper as an unreliable source. If the paper is indeed reliable, support this with an independent source discussing the paper, and ideally use that to summarize why the paper is encyclopedically useful. Grayfell (talk) 06:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Any claim that TZM uses 'the scientific method' for anything of consequence would have to be backed up by some very good independent sourcing with the necessary qualifications to make such an assertion. Wikipedia does not repeat simple assertions on such matters as fact. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:29, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Donovan, Travis (May 25th, 2011). "The Zeitgeist Movement: Envisioning A Sustainable Future". The Huffington Post. Retrieved 8 February 2021. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ Cooper, Brent. "The Zeitgeist Movement: Alter-globalization, Complexity, and Conspirituality". Scribed. Retrieved 8 February 2021.

This statement is simply wrong. Why does wikipedia take at face value statements like this because a reporter says it?[edit]

This statement is simply wrong:

"The first Zeitgeist documentary which predates the organization Zeitgeist movement, borrowed from the works of Eustace Mullins, Lyndon LaRouche, and radio host Alex Jones. Much of its footage was taken directly from Alex Jones documentaries."

Why does wikipedia take at face value statements like this because a "reporter" says it? Where is the evidence?

Peter Joseph has also refuted this statement. Nothing from the film in ideology came from Mullins or LaRouche and there was a tiny minuscule B-roll clip element related to Alex Jones, whom Peter Joseph hates.

The statement is a classic example of propoganda. Wikipedia editors should be ashamed that they includes such a polarizing statement in what is supposed to be an objective article. 2603:6081:8500:CB77:5B0:E289:41D:7791 (talk) 01:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Independent sources, and Wikipedia:No original research. Considering the WP:FRINGE claims made by the film, at face value, it is not an extraordinary claim to point out that Mullins, LaRouche, and Jones influenced these ideas. That said, if you know of a reliable source which disputes this, please present it here. To prevent a common misconception, for many reasons, the film itself will be of limited use here, we need sources about the film, such as the one already cited. Grayfell (talk) 03:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Donovan, Travis (May 25th, 2011). "The Zeitgeist Movement: Envisioning A Sustainable Future". The Huffington Post. Retrieved 8 February 2021. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[2] Cooper, Brent. "The Zeitgeist Movement: Alter-globalization, Complexity, and Conspirituality". Scribed. Retrieved 8 February 2021.

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