Talk:Timeline of LGBT history in Germany

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Homosexuals among Nazi authorities[edit]

Let us add Jutta Rüdiger and similar for balance. Zezen (talk) 07:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And how does mentioning Rüdiger create balance? Are you trying to embellish the deplorable anti-gay Nazi record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Affinaffi (talk • contribs)

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See the WP:ASPERSIONS in this SPA's edit history for the context of their claim above.

Bows Zezen (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zezen, a couple of things. First, SPA editors are still allowed to contribute and their arguments should not be completely disregarded simply because they are SPAs. Second, on the matter of substance, Affinaffi is correct. This page is specifically a list of events, not people: "This is a list of events in lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) history in Germany." Random LGBT individuals, whether they happen to be victims of Nazi terror or Nazi perpetrators themselves should not be mentioned here, and it has nothing to do with "balance". There is another article, Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany where the issue can be and in fact already is addressed in more detail. That article mentions in particular that some prominent Nazi officials, most notably Ernst Röhm, were LGBT themselves, and how the party dealt with them. If you think that something more should be added on the subject there, you could raise the issue at Talk:Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany. But this page here is a lis of events, not names. A mention of Jutta Rüdiger certainly does not belong here. Nsk92 (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Germany"[edit]

Just curious, what definition of "Germany" is this article based on? "Germany" in more or less the sense that we know it exists since 1871. Before that, there was a bunch of independent states, and before that, there were all kinds of other identities. What sense does it make to describe the situation in the Roman Empire toward LGBT if you are talking about Germany? By what definition are the Vikings considered to be part of Germany? What about Prussia, so Königsberg belongs to Germany by your definition but not Bavaria? What is Rubens doing in here, did the authors of this article consider him a German painter? Sorry to say so, but please brush up on your history!

To be honest, this article seems based mainly on copy & paste of this source, with haphazard pieces of information added randomly. I appreciate the wish for writing about the LGBT issue, but this is not an excuse for the use of an extremely questionable concept of history, bordering on gross historical misrepresentations in some places. --87.150.13.119 (talk) 12:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]