Talk:Tomb Raider: Legend

Zip article

shouldnt there be a zip article, hes appered in 2 games and is obvisouly one of the main chracters now. Theres an article about Natla and she only appered in the first tomb raider.

GameCube version

Can anyone update the GameCube version part, knowing fully well that the game is out?

Just yesterday I've added some info regarding the GameCube version. I wish someone could add more info regarding the PSP version and its extras. Treeble 14:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I added a couple of things about the GC version (a couple months ago, actually), about it loading faster and having a cleaner look than the PS2 version.-Mega Man 5 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Theory

• As everyone has mentioned about the several missing features shown on the trailer, but not the gay I have thought of a theory...

Several of these items/levels/moves, have probably been dropped out for the next game, as they a)Wanted to make a cliff hanger game, like they where going to do with AOD and shove in those things there, or b)They had no fresh ideas for a next money maker, and made it in parts, so the person would have to buy more than one game to see it all.

• Another theory would be the "Natla industries" logo on the boxes, a)It was a clue for Tomb Raider Anniversary addition or b)The next game (part in the series), will feature the fabled Avalon and Natla is there or is on earth and is helping Amanda (who also looks strangely alike Natla).

Fan sites

Could we please only have the most popular fan site(s) listed? I believe all these new sites that keep being added contravene Wikipedia's policy on fansites.

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such.

Sam Burke 19:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

there is no such mention of that on the current version which i can see. Mathmo 13:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

IGN.COM

http://www.ign.com hardly constitutes a "fansite".

Please read the following corporate "about us" page: http://corp.ign.com/

"Fansites" are understood to be fanpages created by fans themselves. As stated in the policy itself "Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included."

Fansites are more of an emotional appeal and an idol worship with discussion pages about their hero. IGN is a programmers website, and would constitute more of the informatiove, newsbased sort link that wikipedia is looking for.

Please don't come along and just start deleting things just because your mind has taken possession of the Wikipedia Tomb Raider webpages. These pages are an "open forum", encyclopedia sort of posting page; not a web fansite where you can just "get rid of people", and then find your entire web fansite removed from the Internet for various violations of International Law.

WB2 05:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Is this referring to myself or to everyone in general? I have only removed links which are blatant self-promotion. I believe only the official Tomb Raider site and the popular Tomb Raider Chronicles fan site deserve a listing on all Tomb Raider pages. You can judge TRC's popularity within various community forums and search engine rankings if you wish to do so.

Sam Burke 19:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking to you. IGN isn't a fansite. WB2 05:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No it's not, but a completely unnecessary link as both listed sites have the exact same information. Sam Burke 12:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

And why does Wikipedia has title "Fan Sites" instead of "Fan Site", Mr Burke? Are you Wikipedia official? If yes, either please update that header, or stop abusing other site's rights, because from technical point there should go PlanetLara.com, not TRC. If you are not from Wikipedia, please stop wasting our time here. [Shehi@TRComm.Net] 02:54, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

O.K. Mr Burke, you are not a Sysop, you haven't even given information about yourself, and you just recently became a part of Wikipedia in January of this year. If you don't like multiple external links, then why haven't you criticized the main Tomb Raider page? There are several similar "external links" there. Again, a "fan site" is a personal opinion website, and that is why they are not encouraged here. I'm going to return the link; if you remove it again I can refer you out.

WB2 06:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I think either let all fan sites/anything else post a link or let no one post a link apart from the offical site. TRC is debated as the biggest TR site (as Shehi mentioned) and I doubt that anyone is going to accept having only their link on the page. We could have a seperate page with a list of TR fan sites as there are a large number but I don't know what the policy on that sort of thing is. [Lydia owner funkylydia.com]

Guys, please add sites WHICH HAVE content on Tomb Raider 7 Legend inside. Don't add every Tomb Raider site which has nothing to do with it. As president of Wikipedia recently said, they will have soon their main content which can't be edited. At that point I would strongly suggest they include all fan sites on topic. Plus, I would like to mention an important point here: there are sites which have unique content on some topic, content which is unavailable on other sites. E.g., tombraiders.net features the best walkthroughs/guides for Tomb Raider games by Stella, planetlara.com features the largest Tomb Raider art gallery, tombraidercommunity.com features one of the best guides written on former tombraiders.com by Theresa Jenne etc - you just can't ban those sites. It would not only be unfair, but a great loss of information. Wikipedia is the source of information right? Then Wikipedia is the only place which should value these sites. Don't throw sites into trash unless you have reviewed all of them completely. And yes, Wikipedia already says in its guidelines that sites earning money for viewing their content are not allowed in this list - which I have to agree with. Gamespot, Gamespy and all similars are commercial entities. However, removing all other fan sites from list is too much, too unfair. Thanks for your attention and understanding! [Shehi @ TRComm.Net] 16:08, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

Title

If you check Eidos's Website you will note that the actual title of the game is Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend. I was going to correct that in another article which led me here to notice how widespread the incorrect title is. Is there a reason for this or can it be fixed?--Dustin Asby 22:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved to the correct location. Mouse Nightshirt 16:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The original title was simply Tomb Raider. The change was made, much like the retconned back story, to match the movies. Hollywood strikes again.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.113.97 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 4 September 2008

While that's true to some extent, the change wasn't made for this game since Eidos had already used the "Lara Croft Tomb Raider" movie-style title in Angel of Darkness.~ Dusk Knight 03:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup?

Came here from the Cleanup project page - tbh, the article seems well enough written for now, considering that the game hasnt been released yet. I think the tag should be removed. Mouse Nightshirt 16:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

A PS2 Screenshot??

How is a PS2 screenshot at 1024x768 resolution? --Kinghajj 05:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Improvement

Do we really need the Cheats section? I don't see any other popular games with a section like it, so I'll probably remove it if theres no objection... also, the demo and main section can be merged to take up less space. Mopper ^Speak! 02:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Someone should get rid of the cheats. Balso Snell 19:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

The "Croft Manor" level is (probably) inspired on the Croft Manor seen in the first Tomb Raider film. DTE 14:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

The following paragraph has been removed:

"Some fans have criticized Legend, seeing it as an inferior addition to the franchise. In the game, Lara has been changed extensively, despite claims that the game would take Tomb Raider "back to its roots." Her appearance, her voice, her history, and even her mannerisms have been adjusted, so as to be more in-line with the movie representation of Miss Croft. There still remains a small but dedicated number of fans who have boycotted the game which was created (and consequently any future games in the franchise), instead demanding a continuation of the trilogy began in The Angel of Darkness."

because every sentence needed a citation. If the entire paragraph is that flimsy, it should not exist unless it can be supported by evidence. I put it here so that, should citations appear, the material can be re-inserted.Rebochan 21:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Edited Legend

I think it would be very interesting to have a section on this page listing the different aspects of Legend which were edited from the released version of the game. You can see parts which never made it to the final game at Gamespot screenshots and the first official trailers. It may also be wprht mentioning WHY CD decided to remove these aspects. of course, they have not commented on why, but many fans have discussed it on forums and the general conseses is that, since CD was new to the TR game, they wanted to "test the water", so to speak. What I mean is that they wanted to make a short but quality game to see how it would do when it was on sale. It would be nice if other people could make any useful additions that I may miss.

Is this section really necessary to the article? It looks messy, it has problems with being unsourced, and I don't see how it is so important that material in early trailers and screenshots didn't make it into the final game. I imagine this sort of thing is fairly common in the video game industry? - Shrensh 21:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking for sources to the section, and I've removed the following paragraph:

"*Crystal Dynamics claimed the soundtrack would feature a few tracks from The Prodigy but in the finished game, no such tracks could be heard." To my knowledge, Crystal Dynamics have never claimed that. This probably is just fan speculation because the second trailer featured a Prodigy song. After looking through the biggest fan sites, the closest to that I could get was some info saying they couldn't confirm any popular band presence because it was too early. If someone can support with evidence the above paragraph, feel free to include it back. Treeble 12:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Lady Croft info

"In the beginning of the game, we can see how she disappeared after opening a strange portal in the Himalayan mountains. In the end, we discover that is was in fact future Lara who was talking to her mother, explaining several lines such as: 'What about my daughter?' this is the mother's response to Lara: 'Mother... It's me... Lara... Your daughter.' Amanda tells Lara that her mother is trapped in Avalon (she was teleported there after she pulled the sword from the dais). A possible sequel could be Lara searching for a new dais to re-open the portal and travel to Avalon and save her mother..."

this info seems too long and inappropriate since it contains spoilers for the game without the warning. I'm editing it.---mickey Ichiro

Fresh Idea

I have a proposal. I posted some time ago an article that just doesn't fitted with Wikipedia's standards. This is my article: User:Locketudor/Tomb Raider music. I want to split it, remake it and distribued it to all Tomb Raider games. --Tulok 15:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

American-English or British-English spelling

I reverted a change of spelling from British-English to American. I would say British-English is more suited since the game is about a British character. The publisher, Eidos, is a British company and owns both Core Design (original developer) and Crystal Dynamics (Legend, Anniversary). Also, I believe the topic has strong national ties (see WP:MoS) and therefore British spelling is better suited. - TexMurphy 07:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The original Tomb Raider was released in the United States first, by a week, then the UK. Tomb Raider: Legend was released in the EU (note: not just the UK) 4 days before a US release. Crystal Dynamics may be owned by a British company, but it's an American company. Is "artefact" really how the Brits (mis)spell "artifact"? Odd... Anyway, "artefact" redirects to "artifact", and every other article there spells it with an "i", not an "e", so I think it should remain spelled (not "spelt") with an "i". ∞Σɛ_Þ² ^(τ|c) 07:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

This isn't about where the game was first released or where the developer is located. It's about where the actual game takes place. Since the main character is British it's more fitting to stick with British-English. The fact that artefact redirects to artifact isn't really relevant and only suggest that the artifact article was started first. - SilverSnake 09:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiki guidelines make it clear that American English or British English (or whatever other variant) is fine, and people should not "correct" other's spellings in that respect. Please refrain from doing this, because it's going to result in a senseless edit war that's going to get you - and possibly others - put on lock-down.

I don't entirely agree with this rule, given how broken some personal variations of English really are. For instance: "Amongst" and "whilst" are grammatically wrong, and are based on confusion with how superlatives end with [-st]. (since these are prepositions and not superlatives, they aren't supposed to end in [-st] - it's entirely pointless) Because these variants are accepted by modern dictionaries as alternative (and therefore, "correct") spellings, no one is going to let you get by with changing them on Wikipedia. 72.150.234.18 (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Crippled versions

The version of TR:Legend published in Poland missed the data required by the Nextgen graphics mode to function, as well as the option to change the game's language. From what I've heard, the same may have occured in some other countries as well. Is that true or was the problem limited only to the Polish release?--The Fifth Horseman 11:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Differences European version - US version

It is hard to find anything about this difference on the net, so it might be useful to explain these differences. Can anyone elaborate on that? -andy 84.149.75.209 (talk) 10:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

the pink book

The article incorrectly states that the pink book was left behind. It wasn't left, Lara ripped out the pages of yetties drawn on them. She kept the book.

later on when she is back I imagine the book was kept with her at the house for all those years and simply brought it back with her.

Ragefear (talk) 17:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Automatic pistols?

Could anybody include or at least tell me what type of default guns are used in the game? Since TR:IV nobody includes a feature section with the changes in the weapons she uses. I wonder if she still uses the Desert Eagle or a Heckler & Koch USP Match as in the movie. --MoniMimi (talk) 01:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC) They are the HK USP Match handguns.

Reception section sucks...

Rly, it is pure fanboy praise! Even if this crappy shoot-em-up wasn't a game based on a movie based on a game, and Lara wasn't looking like anorexic rubber doll (after breast reduction surgery), it is AGAINST wiki rules to talk shit about some unspecified "many fans", who "claim" it is worthy of the "series roots"... Nor any other made-up and uncitated info. Negative reception section was already edited out, so there will be nothing biased if only the sales and reviews would be counted, and not "some fans". Echad (talk) 13:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I removed the weasel words and I'll see about sources for the review table. But please be aware that just as fan opinion has no place in the article, the talk page is not the place to express opinions of the game either.~ Dusk Knight 04:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Also this article is by far the only article that does this. I think it is claimed in The Last Revelation article that it is considered the best sequel by fans. Yeah, pretty brave claim. The Tomb Raider III article's reception section was full of weasel words and claims that "Some critics thought..." and "Some fans think..." until a while back when i rewrote it. The AOD Reception section was deleted (probably because some fans didn't want to accept the obvious) but was justified because it didn't have any refs.Super Badnik 19:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the reception section no longer sucks. I've re-done it now, so maybe it could use some expanding. But everything I've said has been backed up by a quote from review sites such as IGN. And I think you'll find The Last Revelation reception section is also perfectly correct - it IS regarded as one of the better sequels. When Tomb Raider: Anniversary was released, they included a RetroSpect documentry with the game, and in an interview, even the early TR developers say that it's their favourite. I would very much appreciate it if people wouldn't come on here to bitch about things simply because they hate TR and are trying to smear its name.

Common Name?

This game is commonly named Tomb Raider: Legend (missing out "Lara Croft") notably on the official Tomb Raider Website. Tomb Raider III article misses out "Adventures of Lara Croft" and AoD article also misses out "Lara Croft". So shouldn't this article along with Anniversary's article, be renamed without the "Lara Croft"? That may just be part of the logo.Super Badnik 18:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's probably best to use the most common name, and the conventions for games say "Subtitles and pre-titles are allowed if deemed appropriate but are not necessary". I doubt there will be any confusion or conflict if the "Lara Croft" pre-title is omitted.~ Dusk Knight 04:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I'll shift them back (because they were originally on Tomb Raider: Legend and Tomb Raider: Anniversary, but got moved by someone else to these titles.) ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 08:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Just to point out - I can't move Tomb Raider: Legend due to other editing on that page, so I'm awaiting deletion then either myself or someone else can move the Legend page. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 08:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the support, i see that Jam has moved the Anniversary Article.Super Badnik 12:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The Soul Reaver Sword in Tomb Raider Ledgend

The Soul Reaver Sword from Legacy of Kain series is in this game. Is nobody mentioning it —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilentmanX (talk • contribs) 01:03, 1 April 2009

Source? ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 07:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

As one of the various bonus contained in the game, in one of them, Lara Croft can use the Soul Reaver. You must only finish all the phases in the time-trial mode and collect all the artifacts distributed all over the game.

This is one of the video that shows it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9-_MZdNKmM

Requirements section is too important

"Requirements" section is one of the most important sections of a videogame article in wikipedia. where the is it???!!! --190.231.47.181 (talk) 18:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

08/2014 The article states this game was the first not to be handled by Core Design, but the actual in-game credits credits Core Design as the original developer. Tomb Raider Legend and the next release Anniversary (or the first Tomb Raider game/ 10th Anniversary Edition version of the first TR game which was being made) were almost created to nearly finished state by Core Design, including the music which was re interpreted by Troels B. Folmann - the article is wrong to credit him as the sole composer of the games music. Eidos Interactive owned the intellectual property which was available to Crystal Dynamics. Lara Croft and The Guardian of Light was also a Core Design developed game remade by Crystal Dynamics.

Merger proposal

Feel free to comment at Talk:Legend (disambiguation)#Merger proposal.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tomb Raider: Legend/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheJoebro64 (talk · contribs) 19:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Never played a Tomb Raider game before, so I think I'll enjoy this. Expect comments within a few days. JOEBRO64 19:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Infobox/Lead  Done

• The infobox lists four writers. Per the syntax guide, the maximum amount of writers to list is three.
• Tomb Raider: Legend is an action-adventure video game—"video game" in this context is tautological; all action-adventure games are video games.
• I'd link to reboot (fiction) when you mention this is "a franchise reboot that reimagined the origins and character of series protagonist Lara Croft."
• I'd also mention somewhere it was rereleased on the PS3 in 2011 as part of a compilation.
• Reception of the game was generally positive—phrases like this read awkward IMO. Saying something like "The game received generally positive reviews" is much more direct and understandable.
• Link to video game remake when you mention "the remake Anniversary"
• Overall, I feel like the lead is a bit short given the length of the article. Most articles I've seen that are similar size, like Sonic Adventure (a FA) and Halo 4 (a GA), have at least three, maybe even four, paragraphs in the lead. This isn't necessarily a big deal, I just wanted to point it out.

Gameplay  Done

• Why is "action adventure game" piped to leave "game" out of the link?
• where the player controls the protagonist—I think "in which" would make more sense here instead of "where"
• I'd link to level (video gaming) when you mention "levels"
• Different combinations can create more moves such as a roll and swan dive. Combinations of what? Button combinations? Move combinations?
• Link to multiplayer when you mention it in the fourth paragraph
• Link to sprite (computer graphics) when you talk about the DS version's gameplay
• players use the DS's touchscreen and mic functions—"mic" is colloquial (WP:TONE)
• I'd link to side-scrolling video game when you mention that the GBA version "is a 2D side-scroller"

Synopsis  Done

• Lara Croft is already wikilinked in gameplay, linking it here is WP:OVERLINKing.
• The plot is over the recommended 700 word limit, might need a little trimming and/or copyediting.
  • It's now down to 698 words. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
• No other comments here, pretty well-written. I don't know anything about Tomb Raider and could understand it.

Development  Done

• The game was a critical failure due to its technical issues—"issue" is a euphemism for "problems"
• and blamed for the commercial failure of The Cradle of Life by the movie's distributors—I'd change "the movie's distributors" to Paramount Pictures
• Legend used a unique game engine—the game still exists; "used" should be changed to "use"
• Also, you mention the game engine is "unique" but is still based on technology from another game, which seems contradictory
• I'd link to reboot (fiction) when you mention "The team decided to reboot the series timeline"

Release and versions  Done

• Legend was officially announced in April 2005. In cases like this "official" is unnecessary, people won't assume it was unofficially announced.
• In the second paragraph, you don't need to say "Microsoft" in "Microsoft Windows". You've already mentioned it before so people will know what Windows you're talking about.

Reception  Done

• According to this discussion, general consensus is not to use the multiple platforms version of {{video game reviews}} because it takes up too much space and looks ugly compared to the normal one.
• Upon its launch, Tomb Raider: Legend received widespread critical acclaim. Two problems here. First, "Upon its launch" is pointless because most, if not all reviews are published when the game is released. Second, "widespread critical acclaim" is hyperbolic—the MC scores don't support this, and most scores are barely above 8/10.
• I feel like most of the claims in the second paragraph should be sourced individually rather than clumped up at the end of the paragraph
• There's another "issues" in the third paragraph
• Link to IGN
• In sales, "bestselling" does not need a hyphen
• Within a month of its release, all versions of the game had sold 2.9 million copies by the end of June 2006. This can read as saying each individual version sold 2.9 million copies. I'm fairly certain this is for all platforms combined, so some clarification is needed.

Legacy  Done

• Link to video game remake when you mention that "Crystal Dynamics remade the original game"
• Legend was remastered by Buzz Monkey Software and re-released—rerelease does not need a hyphen
• Link to spin-off (media) when you mention the "Lara Croft spin-off series"

Referencing

• Looks good

Misc.

• Non-free images have appropriate licensing.
• I'd add ALT text to the images

12:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake: sorry I took so long on this. Nice work. JOEBRO64 18:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: I've done my best to address all the issues above. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Alright looks cool. Passing. JOEBRO64 15:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)