Talk:Tonight: Franz Ferdinand/GA1

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Reviewer: BenLinus1214 (talk · contribs) 02:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aria. I'll be reviewing this in a couple days. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 02:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC) @Aria1561:[reply]

:GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    References formatted incorrectly, probably no OR but can't be sure for unsourced bits.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Places can be expanded, such as the singles and the album's concept.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    More images would definitely be possible.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments
suggest fail for now, work on it, and peer review
  • Why is "Manta.com" a reliable source?
Not sure. I've gotten rid of that ref and I'll get rid of the "Mr. Dan's Studio" thing if you want me to. Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I find Glaswegian a funny word that distracts from the text. I wasn't sure what place it was referring to at first. Maybe just put "Scottish"
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • new "tunes" is very informal
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • A bunch of works/publishers in the citation templates should be linked.
  • "in a blitz" is also informal
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because we've already established that this is their third album, you don't have to refer to it as their "third studio album" in the Production section.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • File for this section?
  • Take a look at the Govan, Scotland part. It's written a bit funnily and could possibly use some expanding.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, Govan, Scotland should be one link, not two.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "musical style" subsection doesn't really life the reader with any sense of cohesion. Currently, it's just a list of quotes that have no relation to each other. Not only is it difficult to navigate and keep track of who's saying what, there's no overall sense of the album's musical inspirations.
  • How do you know the song "Kiss Me" became "No You Girls"?
  • The ending quote of that subsection is completely isolated. It's not about the same topic as the others and does not give any sort of context.
  • Also, given how much time you allocated to it in the lead, I bet you could say a good amount more about the album's concept.
  • I don't know why it says ref 15 is dead--it's not. Fix that.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Subsequently…" This is a bit of a weird transition to this part of the paragraph. Cut that sentence and put something like "The pictures eventually became part of a series of photographs featured on the band's blog."
  • You should combine several of the short paragraphs in the release section.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the italics around "not". Also, if it's not a single, why is it listed as such in the infobox? I also think it's questionable that they said that because that ref is dead.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The track on the album differs from this version." Source?
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • " 'Ulysses' was chosen to be the first single and was released 19 January 2009. The song received first airplay at BBC Radio 1 on 17 November 2008. It was made available on the iTunes Store in North America on 2 December, and in the UK on 18 January 2009." Unsourced…
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On 9 January, "No You Girls" was released on iTunes." source?
Statement removed. Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It was announced via the band's website on 20 May that "Can't Stop Feeling" would be the next single, released on 6 July." Unsourced. Also, more info about chart performance of this one?
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's nothing about "What She Came For"?
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • for Metacritic, add "indicating 'generally favorable reviews.' "
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add some of the general reasons for the album's praise and criticism.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album, however, suffered a fifty-place decline on the Billboard 200 from #9 to #59 in its second week on the chart." Source?
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a lot more chart info that could be incorporated into that subsection.
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you cite the liner notes for the personnel section?
 Done Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • A lot of chart information is unsourced:
  • Austrian Albums Chart
  • Belgian Albums Chart
  • Canadian Albums Chart
  • Danish Albums Chart
  • Dutch Albums Chart
  • French Albums Chart
  • Irish Albums Chart
  • Italian Albums Chart
  • New Zealand RIANZ Album Chart
  • Portuguese Album Charts
  • Spanish Albums Chart
  • Swedish Albums Chart
  • Swiss Albums Chart
 Done — Sources have been added for all charts Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Australian Chart ref is just the homepage.
 Done — Fixed. Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The references that do exist in the charts section are virtually all incomplete.
 Done — Fixed. Aria1561 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Go through your references with a fine-toothed comb, looking to make sure all are complete.
 Done — Fixed. Aria1561 (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 16, 20, 17, 23, and 50 are all dead. Look at Checklinks for the article.
 Done — Fixed. Aria1561 (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Aria1561: I'm very sorry to say this, but I think that this might have been a premature nomination. If you believe you can fix the issues in a short time frame, be my guest, but I strongly recommend that you have me fail this for now, work on it some more, and submit it for a peer review before nominating again. I think that will help make the article better instead of a frantic rushing for sources and such. But you can do whatever you want. Just let me know. Cheers, Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 23:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@BenLinus1214: I will attempt to fix these issues as soon as possible. Doesn't seem that difficult, honestly, but if it ends up becoming so, I'll let you know. Aria1561 (talk) 23:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, good luck. Placing on hold. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 00:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Update #1: Most of the issues have been fixed, the rest will be fixed soon. Aria1561 (talk) 18:16, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Update #2: All of the article's refs have been fixed. I'm having a tough time deciding what to do in order to fix the musical style section, though. Aria1561 (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Aria1561: Because a lot of it talks about the album having non-Western influences, start with "many commented that the album was African-influenced in its musical style." Also be sure to expand on the concept album thing. Everything else looks good. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 22:23, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded on the concept and I've fixed the musical style section; hopefully it's been tweaked enough. Thanks for the suggestion, btw. Aria1561 (talk) 23:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Aria1561: Nice job! I can tell it's been a lot of work, but the article looks a thousand times better now. Pass. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 03:06, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for reviewing this :) Aria1561 (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
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