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Japanese Torpedo Fire Control[edit]

The original article stated that the IJN did not have automated torpedo fire control. I have found two credible references that state otherwise. ^[1] ^[2] Unfortuately, there are web references that say that the Japanese did not develop any torpedo fire control computers. This does not appear to be accurate.

Seems Friedman's showing a bias, too. IJN "TDCs" had a statistical feature not available on USN mods... Trekphiler 15:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Friedman, Norman (1995). US Submarines Through 1945: An Illustrated Design History. Naval Institute Press. p. 195. ISBN=1-55750-263-3. No other navy developed a comparable instrument [to the TDC]. The Germans and Japanese used angle solvers without position keepers (at least in the Japanese case, the device also had a timer that allowed it to dead reckon target position for indirect fire through smoke or mist). Probably because the Japanese had no TDC, they abandoned stern torpedo tubes in their later cruiser and fleet submarines on the grounds that they would require excessive gyro angles. {{cite book}}: Missing pipe in: |id= (help)
^ Jackson, USNR, Lt.(jg) J.G. (February 1946). Japanese Torpedo Fire Control (PDF). US Naval Technical Mission to Japan. Fascicle O-1, Target O-32. The Japanese spent considerable effor on the design and manufacture of torpedo fire control equipment. The various units were well constructed and function with good accuracy. their submarine torpedo data computers and auxiliarly equipment were more simplified and less accurate than US equipment, while above water torpedo control gear (especially for cruisers) is more complicated and equal in merit to that of U.S. design.

TDC Only Useful Against Surface Target[edit]

The TDC really had no ability to deal with a target with depth. In fact, while torpedoes have a fixed depth setting, the TDC does not even have a depth input. ^[1]

References

^ Submarine Torpedo Fire Control Manual. Historic Naval Ship Visitor's Guide. May 1950. Retrieved 3 July 2006. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

TDC Still in Service[edit]

The original article discussed some recent (1980s) maintenance activity by the US Navy with the TDC. Since the TDC is still in service with at least one foreign navy, Taiwan, I thought it was better to mention this activiy and the support going toward keeping the TDCs operational. Therefore, I removed the original contribution.

Defects/Improvements[edit]

~~Figure 2 shows track angle as 90 degrees. This could be confusing. Make it clearly look oblique.~~
~~Establish connection between the "rangekeepers" of the army and surface forces and the position keeper of the TDC.~~ See new Rangekeeper section.
Pseudo-track is shown in Figure 2, but no mention is made of it. It should either be removed, replaced, or explained.
~~The torpedo fire control triangle is a good approximation for computing the gyro angle when the gyro angle is small. This needs to be explained.~~
~~There is a contradiction in the definition of track angle. Clarify it in Figure 3.~~
~~Finish position keeper section~~I have decided to create a new section
~~Add more detail on the foreign navy reference. USS Tusk and USS Cutlass are the submarines, they serve in Taiwan's navy, and they have Wiki entries.~~
~~It may be worthwhile to add a graph of track angle versus deflection angle and target speed to illustrate the optimal launch point.~~
Rather than say two out of three assumptions were met, it would be more accurate to say all three assumptions met reasonably well. The sight is in the same location as the torpedo, the target is moving on a constant course and bearing, and the torpedo comes to speed pretty quickly.
Equation 1 is incorrect. The Law of Sines is A * sin(b) = B * sin(a), not A * sin(a) = B * sin(b) (as it is now). It was several hours after following Wikipedia's formula and not knowing why my program wasn't working until I checked out the forumula in another location and realized the error. --71.115.71.57 03:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

blacksheep 13:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC) 70.107.101.2 (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC) Shipmates, I fixed it.[reply]

References/Endnotes[edit]

[DesignHistory-1] Friedman, Norman (1995). US Submarines Through 1945: An Illustrated Design History. Naval Institute Press. p. 195. ISBN=1-55750-263-3. No other navy developed a comparable instrument [to the TDC]. The Germans and Japanese used angle solvers without position keepers (at least in the Japanese case, the device also had a timer that allowed it to dead reckon target position for indirect fire through smoke or mist). Probably because the Japanese had no TDC, they abandoned stern torpedo tubes in their later cruiser and fleet submarines on the grounds that they would require excessive gyro angles. {{cite book}}: Missing pipe in: |id= (help)

[JapanTechnology-2] Jackson, USNR, Lt.(jg) J.G. (February 1946). Japanese Torpedo Fire Control (PDF). US Naval Technical Mission to Japan. Fascicle O-1, Target O-32. The Japanese spent considerable effor on the design and manufacture of torpedo fire control equipment. The various units were well constructed and function with good accuracy. their submarine torpedo data computers and auxiliarly equipment were more simplified and less accurate than US equipment, while above water torpedo control gear (especially for cruisers) is more complicated and equal in merit to that of U.S. design.

[tdc-3] Submarine Torpedo Fire Control Manual. Historic Naval Ship Visitor's Guide. May 1950. Retrieved 3 July 2006. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

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