Talk:Trademark symbol

MultiKey[edit]

Any idea what this "MultiKey" this article uses is? Could it link to a page describing what it is?

Done. It's actually an X Windows thing, and not specifically Linux, so I changed that as well. The business about ™ not being universally supported references a 1998 article. I rewrote the reference to note that ™ refers to the appropriate Unicode position; it doesn't have an ISO-8859-1 encoding, and may not be supported by all fonts, but that's another matter. Jlundell (talk) 22:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.17.120.126 (talk) 05:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not auto direct the topic of.....[edit]

Trademark law to the others that are associated with, because it is popular and common

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=trademark+law&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en

--222.64.24.88 (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Windows-1252[edit]

The instructions given for entering the symbol on MS Windows will insert a Windows-1252 symbol, not a Unicode one. I realize this article is about the symbol, not the encoding, but these instructions immediately follow the statement about the Unicode code point, so I think it's a bit misleading. I'm not sure how to fix this. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:41, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Chrome OS keyboard shortcut[edit]

As a Chrome OS user, I felt the need for there to be information on how to insert the Trademark symbol using the Ctrl+⇧ Shift+U keyboard shortcut. You should see that I had edited the page many times to get the formatting right, and so I would like to apologise for not using my sandbox to nail it before popping said shortcut into the article!

Plus, what is your opinion on having the Chrome OS keyboard shotcut? Please let me know if it is viable in the article (and possibly fit for insertion in other related Unicode articles too).

Jol1411 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jol1411:, that looks good to me, well done. Other platforms are documented (although arguably per WP:NOTMANUAL, none should be) so no reason not to add this one too, especially given its extensive use in schools. If you are feeling enthusiastic, you might work through category:symbols and category:punctuation where Linux/MacOS/Unix/Windows how-to-types are already included and the unicode code points are given. Just a caution: the repertoire of US International/UK Extended functions on ChromeOS using AltGr are quite a bit more comprehensive than provided in Windows, so best not to give a «complex chord then five keypresses» when a simple AltGr+char will do. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:49, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John Maynard Friedman: Yeah makes sense with Alt+Gr bit, I agree on the simplicity of using that modifier key instead of the Ctrl+⇧ Shift+U combination (where possible). I'll edit a few more articles! jol1411 20:14, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jol1411:, no, AltGr (there is no Alt+Gr). On non-US keyboards the right Alt key is relabled as AltGr (alternate graphic) and does all sorts of wonderful things, see QWERTY#Chrome OS. I think there may be a setting that allows you to change the function of the right alt to AltGr (or to Compose). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John Maynard Friedman: Oops yep good point! Didn't notice that I wrote it as Alt+Gr instead of AltGr! Good catch jol1411 (James Livesey) 10:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At least on Linux (and I suspect Chrome OS) you can hold down Ctrl+Shift while typing U and the number. Releasing Ctrl+shift turns the number into the character. You can *also* release them after the U and type the number, and then type a number of things (space and Enter at least) to finish the number. The first version is easier to describe and is similar to how you hold down Alt while typing a number on Windows. The second is a bit harder though either ignoring the trailing character (as here) or showing one of them (perhaps space) is best. IMHO only one method needs ever be shown, Chrome/Linux users should be able to figure out the trivial conversion to the other methods. But which? I have mostly been showing the hold-down method because it is shorter. Also it is never talked about anywhere but the "algebra" of these sequences seems to be that no-gap means type them one after the other, with any preceeding + keys still held down. A gap or comma means you release things before you continue typing. Any opinons on what is best for all these instructions?Spitzak (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you can. I had a discussion at template talk:keypress on the subject of 'how does an ordinary Joe know when to stop holding down the ctrl+shift?' There isn't a convention. I have arbitrarily taken to inserting a non-breaking space between the two 'phases', which is invisible but hints at a break in the sequence. Compare ctrl+⇧ Shift+u1234 with ctrl+⇧ Shift+u 1234 : IMO the second is clearer and nobody has reverted. Of course on Linux (and there is a helper on the Chrome OS store), COMPOSE is generally easier for most things. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Both sequences work, at least on Linux. One question is if perhaps Chrome does not support the first one. The other problem is that the second one actually needs one more keystroke (space or Enter, maybe others) and it is not clear if this needs to be shown, and if so if all options need to be shown. I feel it does not need to be shown but am not sure.Spitzak (talk) 21:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The AltGr can be accessed if you download a keyboard, which can be accessed with Windows Key + Space Qwerfjkl talk 21:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UTF8 ™ or ᵀᴹ?[edit]

There are two ways to represent with standard UTF-8, so, important to explain it in the article. Krauss (talk) 23:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Seems very off-topic to me. Your first case, ™ is the trademark symbol as defined by Unicode at U+2122, as stated in the article. Your second case, ᵀᴹ, consists of U+1D40 ᵀ MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL T + U+1D39 ᴹ MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL M from the Phonetic Extensions block. So, although it is certainly possible to use these glyphs to generate something that looks superficially like the trademark symbol, it is not such, any more than using some clever HTML to rotate a Latin letter ⟨R⟩ so that it looks like the Cyrillic letter ⟨Я⟩ makes it a Ya. I refer you to the equivalent statement at Small caps#Unicode: Although small caps are allographs of their full size equivalents (and so not usually "semantically important"), the Unicode standard does define a number of "small capital" characters in the IPA extensions, Phonetic Extensions and Latin Extended-D ranges (0250–02AF, 1D00–1D7F, A720–A7FF). These characters, with official names such as latin letter small capital a, are meant for use in phonetic representations. For example, ʀ represents a uvular trill. They should not normally be used in other contexts (the 'normal' character set should be used with suitable formatting controls as described in the preceding sections).

Your note was very terse: can you provide a more detailed case for change? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

U+2122 is certainly the Right Way™ to write it. Wqwt (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which Countries use the trademark symbol[edit]

The articles gives example of alternative to ™ and ® from Canada and germany. But doesn't state where is it's actual subject used. Is it most countries in the world? Is it all english speaking countries? --Nngnna (talk) 19:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joke use[edit]

The joke use of trademark symbol like Soon™ is widespread across the internet.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Tradesnark

https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/23112/where-did-soon-originate Wqwt (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But not wp:notable. See also WP:TRIVIA. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]