Talk:Trallwn
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Name in Welsh[edit]
The article indicates that the name of this place in English is 'Trallwng' and in Welsh is 'Trallwn'. Is this the right way around? I am dubious because 'Y Trallwng' is the Welsh name for Welshpool, suggesting that this is a term in Welsh. Verbcatcher (talk) 09:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Verbcatcher, RCT council has a ward known in both English and Welsh as "Trallwng".[1][2] I only find a FB group and the O.S.[3] using Trallwn universally, although the O.S. isn't always right. No indication it is the Welsh name, plus the cy article (although not reliable) uses "Trallwng" as does the council in Welsh. DankJae 01:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DankJae: thank you. The identification of the versions of the name as English and Welsh has since been removed from the article, which now them as alternatives. The English-medium primary school is 'Ysgol Babanod Trallwng Infants School', but it gives 'Trallwn' in its address.[4] It seems that the council is preferring 'Trallwng'; it is common for Welsh local authorities to favour the Welsh-language versions of placenames where the English and Welsh versions are similar, so it seems likely that 'Trallwng' is the Welsh version. But we can't add this without a reliable source. Verbcatcher (talk) 08:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Verbcatcher, I changed the lead stating both as alternatives, as there is no source stating which language is which. Saw an IP remove Trallwng entirely, which seemed odd as that was the ward’s only name (but the O.S. uses the title for a district?).
- Yes a source stating Trallwng is Welsh can’t be found rn. Even if it could be. Plus it is designated as the English name in law too, so probably an equivalent alt name in terms of the MOS, so deciding which name is which in the lead is probably not as important/can’t be represented if both are used in English. DankJae 08:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DankJae: thank you. The identification of the versions of the name as English and Welsh has since been removed from the article, which now them as alternatives. The English-medium primary school is 'Ysgol Babanod Trallwng Infants School', but it gives 'Trallwn' in its address.[4] It seems that the council is preferring 'Trallwng'; it is common for Welsh local authorities to favour the Welsh-language versions of placenames where the English and Welsh versions are similar, so it seems likely that 'Trallwng' is the Welsh version. But we can't add this without a reliable source. Verbcatcher (talk) 08:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)