Talk:Triumph Motorcycles Ltd

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With regards to the Rocket 3 at 2300cc being the worlds largest capacity production motorcycle, the US made Boss-Hoss with a 5700cc V8 ZZ4 block could also be considered as the largest. Just a thought as I know that Triumph are mainstream whereas Boss-Hoss are specialist but they do produce a range of M/C's — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darren10000 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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I've noticed much of this page is quite outdated - i.e last update around 6 years ago. I've started an update and will continue to add bits to this. Lauratheexplorer (talk) 22:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Including Triumph's recent Indian partner?

Looking to include this brief edit in the history section on Triumph's recent partnership with Bajaj:

"With the emerging market of Indian bikers, Triumph began an informal partnership with Bajaj Auto Ltd in August 2017. Focusing on the mid-sized bike market, this partnership allows Triumph to expand its global reach and Bajaj to expand its range of motorcycle models. In late 2019 Triumph announced that through the alliance, Bajaj will have a major part in the production and design of the bikes but that they will be branded as Triumph."

Let me know what you think Kadekl (talk) 22:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

References

James Bond partnership

Is the following 'blatant advertising' as claimed by one editor, or 'factual, relevant and interesting' as claimed by me?

Triumph and James Bond Partnership On 4th December 2019, Triumph were announced as an official partner for the 25th James Bond film “No Time To Die”, which will feature Triumph’s Scrambler 1200 and the 2020 Tiger 900 in key chase scenes.[1] [1] https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/james-bond-no-time-to-die/

Thanks all Markthebikefan (talk) 08:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

The basic problem I have with this kind of thing is this process:

1. Company sends out a press release announcing a marketing promotion, paid advertisement, contrived sales event
2. Newsblogs pick up the press release, do a quick gloss, attach photos provided by the company, and let the clicks roll in
3. Wikipedia cites the newsblogs as if they are reliable sources, rather than self-promotion

The question I ask looking for reliable sources is Was any actual journalism done? Did a reporter report? Did they leave their office? Did they even make a phone call? If all they did was sit at their computer and do a paraphrase of Triumph's boilerplate from their PR department, in what sense is that reliable? Or independent?

There is encyclopedic content to write on the subject of Triumph and product placement. A number of sources have discussed how successful Triumph has been in cultivating their image through movie franchises like Mission Impossible, James Bond, and Jurassic Park, among others [23][24][25][26][27] <-- I'm not endorsing all these links as reliable sources we can cite; only clues we can use to do research.

The Guardian wrote in 2015 that Triumph had never paid for product placement in movies, which is extraordinary given how much they've benefited from it. In that sense, it's significant that now Triumph is paying money to feature its bikes in the upcoming James Bond movie, something they got for free in the past. But we need to look at this not with sources that are nothing but knee-jerk newsblog posts based on press releases, e.g. [28][29] -> [30]. WE should be looking at serious work on the subject of advertising and markeing, like [31][32].

I'm not implying we have to write a takedown of Triumph for the sin of trying to sell motorcycles. But we have to be grown ups about this. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Markthebikefan: - to see how WP handles film mentions, see BSA Lightning#In popular culture, with this heading being a standard; note in this Triumph article, a sub-heading would not be used. Accordingly I have no objection to a WP:NPOV, summaried-mention being included; note that use of phrases such as key chase scenes would be inappropriate - the errant word here being key which would be regarded as pointy, that is, failing to comply with neutral point of view. A subtle difference but something a publicist would write for effect and sensation, not an encyclopedia compiler. There are many, many films having what are regarded as key chase scenes, some involving motorcycles.

The heading "Triumph and James Bond Partnership" is way OTT, more so as James Bond is a fictitious entity with which Triumph could not have any formal contractual dealings. Equally unacceptable was the very-promotional heading and content Factory Visitor Experience - that's what their own web presences and news media are for. Q:You get the picture? A: Yes, we see.

Consideration also has to be given to WP:CRYSTAL in that the film is unreleased, and perhaps unfinished; accordingly text-implications have to be tentative, and phrases such as [Triumph] 'were chosen' or 'were selected' also present difficulty as can be construed that Triumph was preferred over other marques.

==In popular culture== In late 2019, it was announced that Triumph Scrambler 1200 and 2020 Tiger 900 models, specially modified for stunt work, would appear in the upcoming James Bond film [[No Time to Die]] due for release in 2020.<ref></ref>

Hope that helps.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 15:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

First two sentences

First two sentences seem to conflict. Is the year 1902 correct? 84.250.167.255 (talk) 18:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)