Talk:Trona, San Bernardino County, California

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Searles Valley and Trona, separate places[edit]

According to the USGS, the official authority on geographic locations in the United States, Searles Valley and Trona are separate populated places (search http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic). Should this article reflect this? Rsduhamel (talk) 06:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After comparing maps from the U.S. Census Bureau (here and here) with populated place locations from the USGS (here), it is clear that the Searles Valley CDP includes the unincorporated communities of Pioneer Point, Trona, Searles Valley and Argus. I'm putting this information into the article but since I used locations of named places at the USGS and maps from the USCB it is likely to be flagged as original research? Rsduhamel (talk) 07:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a separate Trona article, but I just realized someone merged it into this one --bad move since there is plenty of precedent for creating articles about commonly known areas rather than merging them on technical grounds (besides, things can be clarified in separate articles). I may separate them again. --Bobak (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Finally got around to re-separating them. --Bobak (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical Elements[edit]

The article says:

...including 98 of the 104 known naturally-occurring chemical elements.

Unless there have been some dramatic breakthroughs that I somehow missed, there are only 92 naturally-occurring chemical elements. What is this sentence really trying to say? What was the source of this info? -- Timrprobocom (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia claims there are 94 chemical elements, but the point remains. If this can't be sourced it should be deleted. Even without the disparity it is a remarkable assertion.   Will Beback  talk  19:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be darned, I did not know that neptunium and plutonium had been found in nature. I learned something from Wikipedia today, even if indirectly. -- Timrprobocom (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
These elements are supposed to exist in the Searles Lake bed, next to Trona. The WP article just mentions a couple of dozen minerals, citing a mineral database.[1] While some minerals contain several elements, it's hard to believe that those 30 or fewer minerals could contain so many elements. Anyway, I suggest we change the unsourced "98 elements" to "30 minerals" or "more than 25 minerals" and use the database for our source.   Will Beback  talk  21:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Trona developed around the Searles dry lake, a natural resource containing the world’s richest deposits of chemicals including 98 of the 104 known naturally occurring chemical elements."[2]
  • "Polar Inertia journal is an outlet and a resource for on going research into the networks that define the contemporary city."[3]
I think it's probably a good source on urban planning, but not a good source for chemistry.   Will Beback  talk  21:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a better source:
  • "The main cations leached were sodium, potassium, and calcium while the main anions were chloride, carbonate, bicarbonate, sulfate, and borate. Also leach to a lessor degree were lithium, magnesium, fluoride, bromide, iodide, arsenic, tungsten, and molybdenum. In addition to chemicals, virtually all other non-ratioactive elements would have been leached into these waters, although many were at very low concentrations."
    • A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DEPOSITIONAL AND POST DEPOSITIONAL HISTORY OF SEARLES LAKE, CALIFORNIA [4]
But this article is about the town, not the lake, so trace amounts of elements are irrelevant.   Will Beback  talk  21:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


In the article, potash is referred to as an element. Actually it is a salt rather than an element.68.6.75.25 (talk) 05:40, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracies regarding California SR178[edit]

I am noticing many articles on Wikipedia that give an incorrect description of California State Route 178 (SR178) and I believe it stems from the inaccuracies shown in many USGS topo maps including the most recent. The official source for a California designated state route should be the California Department of Transportation (Caltrans). Here is a link to their official description of SR178:

http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist9/planning/docs/tcr_sr178.pdf

It is clearly stated that the constructed portion of SR178 ends at Pinnacle Road, which is at least 5 miles south of Trona. This Wikipedia article is incorrect where it states that Trona is "on" SR178. Although the roadway Trona is on is still called Trona Road before and after SR178 ends, Trona is not on SR178 portion. This error becomes more pronounced in other articles describing areas north of Trona where there are no state routes until SR190 near Panamint Springs.

I recommend a comprehensive "cleanup" of all Wikipedia articles with this error. Mcsew2k (talk) 22:53, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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