Talk:Tropical Storm Arthur (2020)

New info

From this tweet: here The minimum pressure for the storm was 993 mb at the time (went down to 991 mb later), so i believe it would be reasonable to add it was the second strongest May atlantic tropical storm (or phrase it better) in the last 40 years. After all, it did pass Tropical Storm Beryl. Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 19:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Is this really needed?

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The impacts of Arthur don’t seem to me worthy enough for a standalone article, in fact I think most of the info here can be condensed into the season summary. The amount of impact caused was relatively scant and comparable to Alberto 2012, which despite its closeness to the U.S didn’t warrant an article. Thoughts? --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 00:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

There's enough info on it, I don't see why not. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 17:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Most of the info in this article is quite bloated. However, I have no idea why this was unilaterally blanked a few hours ago either. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 17:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The user who blanked this has been known for making disruptive edits for quite a while now, so no surprise there! CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, after condensing this down, I got this down to 18kbs. This is iffy but I'm inclined to be in favor of keeping this article now. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 18:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. It’s long enough. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 19:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

There's sufficient content to keep this. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree, there’s no reason for deleting this. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• Remove. Minimal damage, no deaths, didn't set any records. That the article is of reasonable quality isn't reason to keep it. If this is the new threshold for notability, nearly every tropical storm will get its own article. Why spam the encyclopedia with articles about trivial storms that no one can remember? DOSGuy (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Honestly isn't worthy of an article. It just did things that normal storms do so there really isnt a need to mention all of that on WP. The rescues could easily be summarized. Noah^Talk 21:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
• Merge or remove. Minimal damage. No deaths. Notability is disputed. I don't see enough rational to keep this, especially since it's a weak storm that didn't do much to NC or FL. At least Bertha caused one death... ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
• Merge Agreed with Destroyeraa. No casualties and minimal damage. It was a pretty routine event. I do not support deletion, though, as it seems to be standard procedure for TCs without articles to redirect to their sections in the seasonal article. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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New Arthur Merge

Talk: 2020 Atlantic hurricane season#Merge TS Arthur?. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Merge moratorium

If you are going to accuse others of WP:POINT then WP:ANI is the place to go.
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Due to the frequency of merge proposals and WP:POINTy behavior regarding some of them, I propose we have a merge moratorium for a month to let the dust settle. NoahTalk 23:55, 16 October 2020 (UTC) @Hurricane Noah: A current discussion is on the talk page. I find it extremely useless and pointy, but oh well...might be time to ask a non-participant to re-close it. Consensus is clearly in favor of not merging. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:57, 16 October 2020 (UTC) Man, this is an awful lot like 2008. Same hurricane naming list, a recession, a presidential election that looked increasingly non-competitive by fall, and an overdose of merge discussions in WPTC. Fr there's no support for a merger o the status quo should remain and whether someone put an archive template at the top and bottom is just a formality tbh. YE Pacific Hurricane 02:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC) This is getting annoying. Enough is enough. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Is there anyone willing to GAN this?

This article needs to be a GA by December 10th to keep the list of off-season hurricanes at a GT. Is there anyone willing to nominate this and work on the article? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tropical Storm Arthur (2020)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 00:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

• Relatively strong seems unnecessary in the opening sentence.
  •  Done
• "Originating from a broad trough that formed on May 14 near Cuba, the early system slowly drifted south of Florida through the Florida Strait for two days, before becoming a depression on May 16 north of The Bahamas, starting the Atlantic season. " - this seems wonky and poorly worded. I suggest something like "Arthur originated from a broad trough on May 14 near Cuba, which drifted south of Florida through the Florida Strait." Then another sentence when it became a TD
  •  Done
• "A day later, the system would be named Arthur" - the "would be named" should be in simple past tense. Also, for the second sentence in a row, you don't need to say "slowly drift", since drift implies a slow motion. Further, did it really drift toward NC?
  •  Done
• Mention ET and dissipation in the lead.
  •  Done
• "and also caused rough surf off the majority off the east coast of Florida" - this seems odd
  •  Done
• "The system's outer bands would also begin to cause significant rainfall and gusty winds" - poor grammar
  •  Done
• "On May 12, the National Hurricane Center (NHC) first discussed the possibility of subtropical development north of the Bahamas in the proceeding days related to a broad low pressure system that was expected to form near Cuba." - the timeline here is unclear, since you mention both the possibility of development and a broad LPS that was expected to form. I suggest adding a comma after "Bahamas" and removing "in the proceeding days", so there's only the date when NHC first discussed, and the expectation of the LPS to form.
  •  Done Removed the part about Cuba.
• In the 2nd MH sentence, the bit about the convection being disorganized feels like an afterthought. Why not something like "scattered and disorganized thunderstorm activity began to increase in association with a developing trough..."
  •  Done
• You mention the system drifting through the Florida Strait for two days, but you don't ever mention the movement near Florida in the MH. I suggest adding something there, maybe something about why it moved the way it did too (hint, the TCR has something about the movement)
  •  Done
• At the end of the first MH paragraph, link "radius of winds" to radius of maximum winds. Also, maybe link "tropical" as well to TC
  •  Partly done. Did the first part.
• "Based on reports from a Hurricane Hunter aircraft of tropical-storm force winds, the NHC upgraded the system to Tropical Storm Arthur at 03:00 UTC on May 17." - BT has this three hours earlier. Be sure to use the TCR more.
  •  Done
• " Despite these unfavorable conditions, reconnaissance aircraft found Arthur slightly stronger, despite its appearance on satellite degrading significantly throughout the past few hours." - when?
  •  Done
• TCR mentions wind shear and the Gulf Stream as factors in Arthur's development
  •  Not done. I seriously doubt that. The TCR says: "Once the storm moved back overthewarmerGulf Stream by 18 May, vertical wind shear was on the increase,and Arthur strengthened only slightly before nearing the North Carolina Outer Banks." Nothing about development. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
• "As a ridge strengthened to the north, Arthur began to be shoved away from the North Carolina coast and an increase in southwesterly wind shear as well as the beginning of extratropical transition began to separate the storm's main convective activity away from the LLC." - this isn't backed up by the source. Check out the TCR for what actually happened. Also, this sentence tries to include too much in it, so I suggest splitting it.
  •  Done
• "However, the storm was still intensifying and at 06:00 UTC on May 19, Arthur obtained its minimum central pressure of 990 mb (29 inHg) and its peak intensity of 60 mph (95 km/h)." - again, per TCR, this happened six hours earlier.
  •  Done
• You don't mention the MH after it became ET. Be sure to add this (per TCR). Also, don't write "LLC" without ever explaining what that is in the article.
  •  Partly done. LLC is explained earlier in the met.
• In the Cuba part, the ref mentions that 121 mm of rainfall occurred in Ciego de Ávila in two and a half hours. However, the ref doesn't say anything about significant damage to homes, just that homes were flooded.
  •  Done
• I suggest mentioning when Dorian occurred so there's context.
  •  Done
• " A patio roof collapsed, destroying furniture, in Davie, and a man was in critical condition after being electrocuted while fixing an electronic appliance in the rain." - odd ordering
  •  Done
• Any impacts in Virginia? The radar sure looks like that's the case
  •  Done. No rain impacts, though some coastal flooding was reported.
• The infobox (and the TCR) mentions impacts in the Bermuda, but it's not in the article
  •  Done
• Mentioning the downed power lines in four individual South Jersey towns seems like overkill, considering it wasn't directly related to the storm. I think you could get away with "scattered power outages". The article should be a summary of the storm, not every known thing that ever happened because of the storm.
  •  Done

All in all, it's a decent article, but it's clear it didn't properly incorporate the TCR. Try using that more, and spiffy up the writing in parts. I'll leave the GAN on hold for now. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: I think I did a premature nomination, please put this on hold or fail it. I'm in the process of incorporating the TCR. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:03, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixes! I'm happy to pass it as a GA. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC) "@Hurricanehink: Thank you for the review! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)