Talk:Tughlaq dynasty

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Tughlaq or Tughluq or Tughlaqh[edit]

What is the preferred spelling and why? In the Wikipedia we have some articles with each spelling. Bejnar 15:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is Tughluq. To be pronounced Toogh-looq. I have asked Prof. Semih Tezcan, an expert on Turkic languages, whether Tughluq or Tughlaq is right. He said: "Tughlaq does not make sense in any Turkic language but Tughluq very much so." Still, it is often misspelled Tughlaq. A tugh was a banner with a horse-tail attached. The syllable -luq equals English -hood, -ness, -dom, so tugh-luq means banner-dom = the office of bearing a banner = (politely) the one who has the office of bearing a banner = standard-bearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curryfranke (talk • contribs) 17:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nusrat Shah[edit]

At 09:29, 28 January 2007 IP editor 125.22.84.219 deleted the last of the rulers of the Tughlaq dynasty, Nusrat Shah who ruled at Firouzabad (Firuzabad) from 1394 to 1398. Firuzabad is about sixty kilometers south of Shiraz in the province of Fârs in central Iran. He is to be distinguished from Nusrat Khan, a general under Alauddin Khilji, who attacked Gujarat in 1297, and was killed by Hammir's army in 1299. He is also to be distinguished from Nasir Uddin Nusrat Shah, the Bengali ruler of the Hussain-Shahi Dynasty who assumed the rule from his father in 1519 and was assassinated in 1533.

Mahmud Nasir ud din (Muhammad Shah Tughluq) died in 1394. His son Nasir-ud-din Mahmud Shah controlled Delhi and the east, while Nusrat Shah, grandson of Firuz Shah Tughluq, controlled the west.

Nusrat Shah was defeated and killed by the Mongols, under the leadership of Timur (Tamerlane) in 1398. The Mongols went on to sack Delhi, and rule over Delhi fell to Iqbal Khan, who ruled from 1398 to 1405.--Bejnar 01:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because in India there was built a new city called Firuzabad that were ruled by turkish noble families of central Asia. Firuzabad of Iran has nothing to do with that of Inida or Pakistan. That show what kind of an uneducated Pigtoon wahabi-salafi dog you are, little Awghan bastard. Read some real historical books.--84.59.111.229 (talk) 12:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition[edit]

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 15:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the.....[edit]

In the Hindustani language? WTH is that supposed to mean? There is NO language called Hindustani. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no Hindustani language any more. It split up into Hindi and Urdu. 600 years before the Pakistan movement, the languages of Northern India were all called with the umbrella term Hindustani or more often Hindavi. When you read Hindavi, you never know if they mean Braj Bhasha, Old Avadhi, Old Rajasthani, Old Gujarati and even Old Marathi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curryfranke (talk • contribs) 17:30, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2016[edit]

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it was considered by modern scholars as indo-islamic architecture. 103.92.41.132 (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2021[edit]

"no contemporary sources corroborate this claim" ferishta is contemporary and corroborates it. 80.189.68.174 (talk) 03:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Origins[edit]

@Sutyarashi As you asked me to take it to the talk page presumably per WP:ONUS, what is the main concern you'd like to bring up? I added something that added to the origins that they were possibly of Turko-Afghan origin similar to the Turkic and Turko-Mongol theories of origin. The source I cited specifically says Ghiyath al-Din Tughluq was Turko-Afghan in origin per "Indo-Muslim Polity (Turko-Afghan Period)", p.145 Noorullah (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source states: Ghayasuddin, who was himself a Turko-Afghan, Qarawana of mixed parentage. At the page 141, he says about Qarauna: Like the Khaljis they must have intermarried with the Afghans and acquired their characteristics. This is his assumption that Qara'unas had intermarried with the Afghans and hence his claim for Tughlaq dynasty being Turko-Afghan, which is a fringe theory, and a minority view at best. No academic source states Qara'unas or Tughlaq dynasty as Turko-Afghan. We can't add fringe views per WP:UNDUE in the article as none of the eminent scholars state it to be such. Peter Jackson, for instance calls Tughlaq a Mongol or Turco-Mongol, as does André Wink. No other source I have gone through hints at a Turko-Afghan origins of Tughlaq dynasty as well. It's very clear that mainstream of Qara'unas is that they were Turko-Mongols, not Turko-Afghan. Sutyarashi (talk) 19:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sutyarashi Seems good.
I think the Turko-Mongol source in the article should be replaced with a better scholarly one as you cited here. I'll add those, is there any sources then just the one alone to back up just a Turkic origin as is stated in the article? Noorullah (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Noorullah21 perhaps there are, however based on the origins of Qara'unas majority of scholarship seem to suggest a Mongol/Turco-Mongol origins. I do plan to rewrite the section in the next few days, as current one is rather messy. If you can improve the sourcing/content, please do so.
Sutyarashi (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Punjabi language[edit]

There is no evidence that the tughlaq emperors spoke Punjabi. Furthermore, “dynastic” seems to be a term pulled out of thin air in this context.

let me pull the users edit.

“Take this source then, it clearly states: "This **Punjabi** element in their language travelled with them.", also, Khusrau Khan wrote that Ballad for Ghazi Malik which he obvv read later, which does seem to indicate that he could read the language, showing literacy. Not only that Ghazi Malik literally governed Punjab? Ofc he could speak the local language. Feroz Shah's favorite city was Dipalpur, where he would often stay. He spoke Punjabi there, obv.”

firstly I would like the page number of the first quote for context(also because I can’t find it in any of the sources listed). Secondly, that doesn’t say anything about the rulers speaking Punjabi.

furthermore, half of this response seems to be based on assumptions. How do we know Ghazi Malik read the ballad without the use of translators? There needs to be a source that states word for word that the emperor spoke Punjabi, which there isn’t. How does governing Punjab matter in this case? Tughlaqs also occupied majority of the subcontinent.

to conclude, the sources cited have only written about a war ballad written by a court scholar. There is no evidence that Punjabi was spoken by the emperors, or majority of the noble class. Sources need to specify that.

@Akshunwar

You can bring your concerns here in the talk page. Someguywhosbored (talk) 00:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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