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Zsombor[edit]

The male name "Zsombor" allegedly comes from the Slavic "zubar" (buffalo) and not from the etimology describe in the article. Decision and if necessary, correction should be applied.

Hungarian Wikipedia [1] gives two etimology for Zsombor: 1. from the name "Zombor"- buffalo (slavic) and 2. from turul / zongor This page of Hungarian names [2] gives Zombor and Zongor as different names: Zombor/Zsombor as buffalo and Zongor as turul. This page about the etimology of Hungarian names [3] does not list Zongor and gives both Zombor and Zsombor as buffalo. Zombor with Slavic-Hungarian and Zsombor with Bulgarian-Turkish-Hungarian origin. So I suggest that the Zsombor-turul etimology should be noted as "alleged" or "disputed". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.209.209.45 (talk) 11:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most sources I have seen name "Csongor" as falcon, and origin assigned to Mongolese. <<zbalint>> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbalint (talk • contribs) 12:08, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright?[edit]

The original text might have been copied from www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Turul I have added few info (from head). Abdulka (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Turul = Tuul = Dulo[edit]

Turul and Dulo both derived from the same source: the name of the river Tuul

Turgesh wikipage says: "the Turgesh, themselves a branch of the greater Tardush (Tulu, Dulo) subdivision of the On Okh (Onoq, Ten Arrows)...The Turgesh were a group of Duolu tribes believed to have originated from the Turuhe tribe, who had appeared earlier on the banks of the Tuul River."

Tiele wikipage says: "At the area north of the Duluo River (Tuul River), are the Pugu, Tongluo, Weihe (Orkhon Uyghur),[29] Bayegu, Fuluo (Fufuluo), which were all called Sijin (Irkin). Other tribes such as Mengchen, Turuhe, Sijie (Esegel, aka Izgil, Old Turkic letter L2.svg Old Turkic letter G2.svg Old Turkic letter Z.svg), Hun (Hunyu), Hu, Xue (Huxue) and so forth, also dwelled in this area. They have a 20,000 strong invincible army."

As far as I concern, this is a perfect list that contains all the main elements of the later Hungarians, so proto-magyars could be amoung them. Let's take a look at their names: Sijie (Esegel aka Izgil=Szekely), Weihe (from the name Weiger-Wenger/Ungur) and/or Mengchen (misunderstood Megyer) must be the proto-Magyars, and we find here many kinds of Huns.

But most importantly for the Turul question: the Turuhe must be the original tribe that had the Turul as their totem-bird, and they could be the most probable ancestors of the Arpad dynasty.

Zoltan_Bereczki (talk) 12:39, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please read and apply WP:NOR and WP:Fringe. Borsoka (talk) 14:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]