Talk:U.S. Agent

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When most of that group disbanded in the wake of the apparent death of the original Human Torch, the USAgent, Union Jack, and the Blazing Skull apparently remained together as a group.

Following a discussion on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe, I've removed this passage, since no-one on that group has any recollection of such a suggestion in the comics. If there was such a suggestion, please state where. Daibhid C 17:23 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I believe that this may have been stated in U.S. Agents entry in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. I may be able to provide reference later, however I can confirm that it has never been stated on-page elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.112.180 (talk) 17:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I can confirm that it was stated in Agents handbook entry that he 'remained with the team until it broke up', however it is not stated anywhere when or exactly why the team disbanded. The suggestion that it was because of the death of the Human Torch is probably correct but is an assumption nevertheless (Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Vol 12, 2009) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.112.180 (talk) 17:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

New Invaders #9, third-last story page. - SoM 21:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

5th or 6th version of Captain America?

In the first paragraph it lists Walker as the 5th Captain America, but in the second paragraph under the Captain America heading it says "After a meeting with her, Walker was made the sixth Captain America."

Which is it? Grey Shadow 11:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Its incredibly unclear as there have been so many Caps and retcons introducing new "old" Caps over the years. See Captain America#Alternate Captain Americas for more of an explanation. I say just take out any nomencluture and just say that he once served as Captain America. Hueysheridan 15:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

it is pretty unclear, but I believe he's the 5th if we go with Steve Rogers as Captain America I. That would make William Naslund/Spirit of 76 Cap II, Jeff Mace/The Patriot was Cap III, The grand director would be Cap IV. Rogers then assumed the role until Walker/Daniels was appointed Captain America V when Rogers refused to be a pawn of the government. This excludes Isaiah Bradley, two perceeds Steve. As does Protocide, though it doesn't seem he ever had the name Cap'n A. There were a series of would be Caps that tried to fill in when Rogers quit in the 60s and 70s (before walker), the only remotely competent one was a friend of steve's who was killed by the skull on his first mission. And the falcon dons the Cap suit for a mission written as a flashback. While we've seen (last i counted) 15 or so characters assumr the title of Cap in the pages of his own books. I'm assuming the 6th Captain America counts Bradley as 1. However, since the government of the marvel U owns the captain america likeness, and only the Cap's listed as 1 through 5 had been appointed to the position, calling Walker cap 5 is strictly accurate.

Too much explanation, I'm sure Impulse 17:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• As mention, there have been many people to take the role of Captain America. However, in the Marvel canon, Walker is often described as the official "sixth," after Rogers, Naslund, Mace, Grand Director, and Roscoe. This is how, for example, Walker is clearly described in Captain America issue #350 (the issue in which Rogers re-takes the Captain America role from Walker). I admit that is an old issue, though, and perhaps the chronology and number have changed under different writers since then. 76.101.8.134 (talk) 05:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

no mention of his limited series

In a lot of respects it was a series about Scourge, but his first miniseries should probably be given some sort of mention in the article Impulse 17:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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U.S. Agent's Many Shields

It might be noteworthy or at least a little fun to list the various shields he used and their features and when/where they appeared. The sheilds he used while with the Avengers, the Jury, S.T.A.R.S., New Invaders, and so on. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.230.39 (talk) 17:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I have made mention in a recent edit of Walkers remote controlled shield, used when leader of the Jury, and his shield with retractable spikes and the names of American victims of terrorism, used when with the New Invaders. I have also mentioned that as Captain America Walker used Steve Rogers iconic shield and then when he became the U.S. Agent he adopted the Vibranium shield that had been created by Tony Stark for use by Rogers when he adopted the role of 'The Captain'. Walkers energy shield - used when he was with Force Works - has already been mentioned.

In light of this a specialist section on Walkers shields probably isnt necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.112.180 (talk) 17:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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The Other John Walker

Does anybody else think it's odd that the US Agent has the same name as one of the most notorious spies in American history? Particularly since that spy was caught right about the time the US Agent was created (mid 1980s)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.97.69.26 (talk) 22:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I think its probably more likely that Mark Gruenwald named him after the alcoholic beverage Johnny Walker, bearing in mind that he later re-named him Jack Daniels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.112.180 (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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U.S. Agent or U.S.Agent?

The titles of the book and Marvel's own website spell John Walker's codename "U.S.Agent", so shouldn't that be the name of the article? 2001:569:F875:3D00:1C60:5E00:DDA7:B08E (talk) 03:44, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Notability

I expect this character to be notable, but this needs to be shown better than through listicles (rankings). I've added some prose but note this is really related to Super-Patriot (Marvel Comics). Having same text trying to estabilish notability of two pages is not idea. Please improve the reception to show how this character in various variants received recognition etc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

U.S.Agent's Religion

There are some facts that proves he is evangelical christian, or have some affinity with that movement. For example:

- In Captain America # 333, when John Walker becomes the new Captain America, he says that his father was an evangelical minister and that he grew up in a religious family.

- In Captain America # 354, when Walker adopts the name of U.S. Agent, he is shown praying in a church before his first mission with the West Coast Avengers.

- In Avengers West Coast # 69, when the Avengers face a cult called the Universal Church of Truth, U.S. Agent says that he knows what it is like to be deceived by a false religion, and that he found the truth in the gospel.

- In U.S. Agent Vol. 2 # 1, when Walker returns to his hometown in Georgia, he is seen visiting his father's grave in the cemetery of the Southern Baptist Church.

These facts indicate that U.S. Agent has a personal history and a connection with evangelicalism, especially with the Southern Evangelical branch, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the United States. He has some elements of that religious tradition in his origin and personality. JordiWild98 (talk) 16:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

You can construct this argument on the talk page, but editorializing in the article like you did here is not appropriate. What you found certainly does indicate that he is a Christian of some type, but guessing which type is original research. If in a comic book he says "I am an evangelical" or one of the creators comes out and says "he is an evangelical" then we are good to report it, but otherwise we should stick to provable facts rather than guesswork (even educated guesswork). The fact that you added the words "clues" and "might be" in the article tells me that we are nowhere near ready to make such a determination to the point where it should be included in the article as you have. 2601:240:E200:3B60:C910:F538:FF9C:5405 (talk) 17:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Answer to: User talk:2601:240:E200:3B60:C910:F538:FF9C:5405 Are you clumsy or are you trying to be? If I say "There are clues that you are clumsy" what would that mean to you? I have given reliable sources as they are THE CHARACTER COMICS THEMSELVES, what source have you given? Exactly, none. So you better stop editing articles without any source, because you are so clumsy as to leave your IP out in the open on a public server. JordiWild98 (talk) 18:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Those are things that you perceived to be clues... but Wikipedia is not here to document your perception. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 04:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Not clues, facts. Don't you know how to read? JordiWild98 (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know how to read -- including that edit where you explain these are "clues". I also know how to write, how to design a book cover (not always well, but sufficiently), how to overcook pasta, and how to interact with people in ways beyond personal attacks. That last is a handy skill. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)-

Well, put into practice what you said, you talk too much and act too little. I gave evidence. If you don't agree with the religion of U.S.Agent, present your evidence why it isn't (based on the comics, of course). JordiWild98 (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Just as Wikipedia is not the place for your analysis, it is also not the place for mine. I make no particular claim about the character's religion. I realize that you're relatively new to editing Wikipedia, at least under this account. I've placed some links on your Talk page to materials that will help you understand how editing is done around here. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:33, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I was asked to join this discussion on the WikiProject Comics talk page, but I think I'll summarize my view here, and then leave a link on the Project talk page.

First off, Jordi, WELCOME TO WIKIPEDIA! I hope you find editing here to be fun and fulfilling, and that Wikipedia will benefit from your contributions. :-)

That being said, you need to dial down the comments that violate Wikipedia's policies on Civility, No Personaal Attacks and Assuming Good Faith. Explain why you disagree, yes, but comments like "Don't you know how to read?" and "you talk too much and act too little" violate Wikipedia's policies, and can get you blocked from editing. You're new here, I get that, but joining a 22-year-old community composed of thousands of veteran editors and insulting them when you're still learning the rules is not the way to go about joining that community. So let's keep things civil here, okay?

Wikipedia requires the material in its articles to be supported mainly by WP:PSTS secondary sources. Primary sources -- in this case the comics themselves -- can be used in a limited manner for things like their credits and their contents, but not for material that constitutes novel analytic, evaluative or interpretative claims of the editor. Using primary sources in this manner is called Synthesis, which is a form of original research, and is strictly prohibited on Wikipedia. Statements like "These facts indicate that U.S. Agent has a personal history and a connection with Evangelicalism, especially with the Southern Evangelical branch, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the United States. He has some elements of that religious tradition in his origin and personality." -- which I notice was not accompanied by a citation -- are clearly not permissable on Wikipedia.

In addition, Wikipedia articles are not places to make arguments for a point of view. This is clearly indicated by Wikipedia's policy on Neutrality, and by related guidelines such as WP:SOAPBOX, WP:FORUM, etc.

I also notice that you cited another Wikipedia article as a source. Editors cannot cite one Wikipedia article as a source in another, because this is circular sourcing, which is also not permitted. And that other site, ComicBookReligion.com looks like a fan site. I doubt it would pass Wikipedia's Reliable Sources policy.

Mind you, I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning details of a character's upbringing in his origin, like the fact that his father was a minister, so long as you do so in passing, and cite the issue of the comics in question. Nor is there anything wrong with mentioning such things when it features prominently in a character's origin, like Nightcrawler being Catholic, or Magento, Kitty Pryde, or Sabra being Jewish. But devoting an entire section to arguing that he's this religion or that, when that material does not come from reliable secondary sources, is not permitted on Wikipedia.

I hope this helps. Nightscream (talk) 04:42, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Nightscream, @NatGertler, and @Thebiguglyalien note that the passage was restored without further discussion. I also discovered this repeated threat. 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 01:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

That message absolutely crosses the line. I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:30, 14 September 2023 (UTC)