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RM, Palmer United Party → United Australia Party (2018), not moved, 25 August 2018, discussion
RM, Clive Palmer's United Australia Party → ?, moved to United Australia Party (2013), 31 August 2021, discussion

On 11 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to United Australia Party (2013-). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Name Change[edit]

To avoid possible rejection by the AEC, the name of the party has been changed to "Palmer United Party" http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/uap-renamed-as-palmer-united-party-20130512-2jfml.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flat Out (talk • contribs) 2013-05-12T03:44:02

United Australia Party (2013)?[edit]

I know this was discussed in August 2021 but I think this article name is confusing and I ended up editing Ralph Babet to remove him from the category and the party from the info box before self-reverting. Given Palmer keeps doing this every election cycle, de-registering after each election in order to deliberately avoid the party's obligations and then registering again just before elections I think we can safely assume this party is going to last some time. Therefore I would propose renaming the page and the associated category to United Australia Party (2013-). AlanS^talk 07:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 05:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

United Australia Party (2013) → United Australia Party (2013-) – It's pretty well established that Palmer re-registers the party just prior to each federal election only to de-registered just after in order to avoid any obligations. I think we should for all intents and purposes treat it as a going concern and the name change would support that. I previously found the current name confusing as being a party that existed for a single campaign. Therefore, I propose the name change. If there hadn't been recent debate in August 2021 I would probably just be bold and change it but there has been previous discussion so I'm putting it up for debate. AlanS^talk 06:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 18:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not with a hyphen; possibly with an en dash, but as far as I know there are no Wikipedia article titles that have an en dash followed immediately by a closing parenthesis character. See MOS:DATERANGE. Suggest United Australia Party (2013 onwards) or United Australia Party (2013–present). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's discussion above where three editors supported a move with a hyphen, at least that's what the summary of the discussion suggests. I'm easy either way if people preferred an en dash I'd be happy to go with that as I think it would be preferable over the current name. AlanS^talk 23:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many people don't pay attention to the difference between a hyphen and an en dash. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You can probably blame autocorrect fixing everything up for us all the time for that. AlanS^talk 06:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect it can be traced back further, at least to typewriter keyboard design and the basic fact that the length of a horizontal line is a pretty subtle difference between characters. There is often some need to limit the character set (IIRC, ASCII doesn't distinguish between hyphen, minus, en dash and em dash). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 08:50, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You could be correct, but I know personally that I've gotten use to Microsoft Word (at work) doing it for me just by putting a hyphen in, hitting enter and then backspacing because I don't think the en dash exists on the the US International Keyboard (I'm in Australia). AlanS^talk 13:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The current title follows WP:NCPP in using date of establishment (If two parties in the same country have identical names then they could be differentiated by year of establishment: Communist Party of Sweden (1924) and Communist Party of Sweden (1995)). If that date is insufficient, I would not object to using the next option, party-leader disambiguation, which would give United Australia Party (Clive Palmer). {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 07:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Notably WP:NCPP only states that they COULD be differentiated by year of establishment, not that they SHOULD be. The wording leaves it open. I don't object to your suggestion of United Australia Party (Clive Palmer) though. AlanS^talk 01:14, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I too would support a move to United Australia Party (Clive Palmer). I suspect very few Australians could tell you what year the party was created, but most could tell you it's Clive Palmer's party. To me it seems a far more logical name. HiLo48 (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as date is typical. Weak oppose on UAP (Clive Palmer) inasmuch as I see no reason to change the current title This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:42, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.