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thats true for the goldstone statement too. I'll bring back a summary of the response (instead of the copious amount of direct quotes earlier) and summarize the Goldstone section as well. nableezy - 22:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
and done. nableezy - 22:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dovidroth's revert[edit]

@Dovidroth's revert https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict&oldid=1188566482 reduces the quality of the page. I suggest we undo the revert. DMH43 (talk) 14:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It might be worth noting that Dovidroth has been banned from the Palestine/Israel Conflict topic for 90 days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dovidroth#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction
My changes can be summarized as:
1. Adding a direct quote from the report which captures the magnitude of the findings/claims of the report and puts into context the reactions/responses to it.
2. Making the description of Goldstone's op-ed more precise.
3. Reorganize the reactions to flow topically.
4. Added Yaniv Reich and Normal Finkelstein's reactions to goldstone's statement
I suggest we undo the revert which removed these changes. DMH43 (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The specific changes:
In the introduction:
On 1 April 2011, Goldstone retracted his claim that it was Israeli government policy to deliberately target citizens, saying "While the investigations published by the Israeli military and recognized in the U.N. committee's report have established the validity of some incidents that we investigated in cases involving individual soldiers, they also indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy."
to:
The Report described the three weeks comprising the Gaza War as

a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability.[1]

On 1 April 2011, Goldstone stated that recent Israeli investigations indicate that it was not Israeli government policy to deliberately target citizens, saying "While the investigations published by the Israeli military and recognized in the U.N. committee's report have established the validity of some incidents that we investigated in cases involving individual soldiers, they also indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy."
section title:
==Goldstone's retraction of claim Israel targeted civilians==
to:
==Goldstone's Op-Ed on the existence of an IDF policy of targeting civilians==
with content:
On 1 April 2011, Goldstone published a piece in The Washington Post titled 'Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes' in which he wrote that Israel's actions "indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy" while "the crimes allegedly committed by Hamas were intentional goes without saying."[2] The other principal authors of the UN report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers, have rejected Goldstone's reassessment arguing that there is "no justification for any demand or expectation for reconsideration of the report as nothing of substance has appeared that would in anyway change the context, findings or conclusions of that report with respect to any of the parties to the Gaza conflict".[3][4] According to journalist Connie Bruck "Goldstone came under such pressure that threats were made to ban him from his grandson's bar mitzvah at a Johannesburg synagogue."[5]
to:
On 1 April 2011, Goldstone published a piece in The Washington Post titled 'Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes' in which he re-iterated the basis on which the report found that Israel had targeted civilians:

The allegations of intentionality by Israel were based on the deaths of and injuries to civilians in situations where our fact-finding mission had no evidence on which to draw any other reasonable conclusion.

He goes on to explain that "the investigations published by the Israeli military... indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy" while "the crimes allegedly committed by Hamas were intentional goes without saying."[6]
The other principal authors of the UN report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers, have rejected Goldstone's reassessment arguing that there is "no justification for any demand or expectation for reconsideration of the report as nothing of substance has appeared that would in anyway change the context, findings or conclusions of that report with respect to any of the parties to the Gaza conflict".[3][4] According to journalist Connie Bruck "Goldstone came under such pressure that threats were made to ban him from his grandson's bar mitzvah at a Johannesburg synagogue."[5]
addition to the reactions section:
Yaniv Reich and Norman Finkelstein have commented that Goldstone's statement does not contradict the findings of the report, specifically pointing out that the report did not claim the existence of an explicit policy of targeting civilians.[7][8]
DMH43 (talk) 19:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference UNFFMGC Report pdf was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ "Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes".
  3. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference afp1404 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference g2011-04-14 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ a b Bruck, Connie (1 September 2014). "Friends of Israel". The New Yorker. pp. 50–63. Archived from the original on 9 September 2014. Retrieved 9 September 2014.
  6. ^ "Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes".
  7. ^ "What the Goldstone op-ed doesn't say". Mondoweiss. 2011-04-02. Retrieved 2023-12-02.
  8. ^ Finkelstein, Norman (July 2021). Gaza: An Inquest into Its Martyrdom. pp. 117–132. ISBN 978-0-520-31833-5.

Journalism[edit]

In light of the clear and long standing pro-Israeli bias of the bulk of American and British media, why are only British or American titles cited in the "Journalism" section? 159.205.223.214 (talk) 13:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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