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IOH copying[edit]

There seems to be a current collection of people who are cutting and pasting entire sections of text from the IOH website into Wikipedia articles. The text is typically a word for word copy with no changes. I see this a copyright infringement as Wikipeida is for original works, not simply mirroring material from another source. Adding an external link to IOH is fine, but blatantly copying entire pages of IOH text, then posting it as an article, is not acceptable per Wiki guidelines. This can lead to all kinds of difficulties, not the least of which is an article labeled as a copyright infringement and deleted. I encourage people to cease this "cut and paste" activity. -Husnock 06:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

None of the material that I have posted comes from the Institute of Heraldry (TIOH) website, but from publications produced and distributed by the TIOH over the years. I also used a summary of information relating to TIOH from a webpage on Army heraldry that I developed for the Army Quartermaster Museum using information obtained from visits to the TIOH archives at Fort Belvior. I have properly referenced these publications and websites at the end of the article. All of this information is in the public domain and not subject to copyright. I'm sure there may be some redundency with the TIOH websire as it is difficult to express things like the TIOH mission without using their verbage. --Ehrentitle 11:24, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article is actual not in question (in fact its a pretty good article). The main concern is folks copying and pasting IOH definitions of medals into articles about the medals themselves. See the history of Southwest Asia Service Medal for such an example. -Husnock 13:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I know it would be somewhat time consuming, but it might be useful to post your warning in the discussion on those specific medal pages. Army insignia may not be your area of expertise but I would also appreciate your feedback on the Distinctive unit insignia page that I updated a while back. I also plan of doing more work on the Shoulder patch which I believe should revert back to the official title Shoulder Sleeve Insignia --Ehrentitle 15:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TIOH is an office of the United States Government. All publically released material is in the public domain, even medal descriptions and histories. The protected content is the images as described on the home page (when it is visible). Lazy, yes; copyright infringement, no. --216.46.173.36 (talk) 18:08, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Error in Image[edit]

The image of the IOH's coat of arms has an error. The sinister banner (the one with the Tudor rose) is supposed to be fringed in Or and Gules. The IOH's website confirms this: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/TIOH/TIOH_coat.aspx.

I'd fix it myself, but I have no idea how to go about graphics editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.120.255.251 (talk) 18:47, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New topics at the bottom, please. See the "New section" button at the top of the page?

In the image in question, the fringes are rather grubby, but if the sinister one isn't Or and gules I don't know what else it could be. —Tamfang (talk) 07:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article Name[edit]

Is not the proper name for this organization The Institute of Heraldry? (with a "the" and without the "United States Army." Seems to me the redirect is backwards and I see no discussion of it here.

The functions section is complete with respect to the Army, but blank with respect to the other armed services or governmental agencies. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

23rd Infantry Insignia (crest)[edit]

I am in search of the 23rd Infantry Regiment embroidered shoulder patch. If you know a source, please let me know how to contact.....Jim Kopp, 3774 Brown Owl Court, Marietta, GA 30062 PH 678 409-0632.

In search of embroidered 23rd Infantry should patch. I you have source, please let me know how to contactJkopp41 (talk) 13:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TIOH website down[edit]

Per the notice from the United States Army Center of Military History[1], the website has been down since July 25th. I recommend not editing the website links until a confirmed change has occurred. --216.46.173.36 (talk) 18:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And it's up. I updated the website. --21lima (talk) 00:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TIOH heraldry wrong?[edit]

The article says the TIOH's own arms has a "scroll Or lined Sable". I assume "lined" refers to the reverse side? But the picture on the article has gules on the reverse. 185.120.125.29 (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]