Talk:United States Intelligence Community/Archive 1

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Given that other countries also have Intelligence Communities, and that most articles linking here already say "US Intelligence Community", could this be moved to United States Intelligence Community perhaps? Thruston 10:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I have moved the page, as Thruston suggested. Dreadnought1906 10:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Major updates and corrections are needed

This article needs to more accurately portray the organization and management of the US Intelligence Community (IC). The Director of National Intelligence (DNI) has no line authority relationship with any IC member of the except with the CIA and its own staff, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). The heads of the other IC elements report to the heads of their respective federal agencies -- the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Energy, etc. Thus, saying that the IC "reports" to the DNI, and that the DNI "manages" the IC are major overstatements that will mislead readers. The roles and authorities of the head of the IC continues to be the subject of major debate in the USA.

Also, the article is incorrect by saying the DCI was head of the IC before April 21, 2005. The DCI became the acting DNI when the President signed the Intelligence Reform and Terrorist Prevention Act of 2004 in December 2004.

Finally, the IC has no logo. The IC is usually represented by the seal of the ODNI surrounded by the seals of the parent agencies of the 15 other IC members. --LuckyOne23 05:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Budget?

I read in the paper today that the combined budget is $44 billion anually. (Assuming 100 million U.S. taxpayer households, thats $440 annually per federal income tax filing that goes to this beast.) That's a lot of my money being spent to spy on me. Anyway, I did not add this budget item to the article because I have no good sources (this figure comes from a recent Washington Post article). linas 04:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

16 or 17?

The article refers (at least twice) to "sixteen" elements, but the list under Intelligence Community members appears to contain 17 (Two independent agencies, plus fifteen, not fourteen, exec branch departments). Or am I counting something incorrectly? -John Hosking 83.78.154.148 10:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

There are 16 elements in the Intelligence Community. The list show one element, the US Air Force, with two internal intelligence organizations. --LuckyOne23 01:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, thanks, but that's not what I was asking about. I hadn't considered AIA and NASIC to be separate elements, since they're on the same line in the article. But I still see two problems, one of which supercedes the other:

1. We explicitly say "16", consisting of "2 Independent" plus "14" others. We could say "several", and then proceed to list exactly which they are. The reader can count them for herself.
2. I think we need to revise the list anyway. I see from studying http://www.intelligence.gov/ that ODNI is not listed as an "element" of the IC (in fact, the use of the term "element" seems to be different on that site). What that site says leads me to believe we should probably list ODNI as the head of the IC, then list the elements thereunder, namely: CIA; USAF Intelligence; Army Intelligence; etc.

I notice, also, that the intelligence.gov site describes the Air Force element quite differently. It talks about AF ISR, of which AIA is apparently a part. NAIC (not "NASIC") and AFIWC seem to be relevant parts of AIA. It seems the intelligence.gov and AIA sites disagree somewhat as to the structure of the AF element.

So, we have 17 bullet items, the ODNI and the 16 actual elements. Let's take the ODNI out of the list and describe how he oversees or leads or convenes the IC agencies. What do you think?

-John Hosking 83.77.178.170 23:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Got it. According to the ODNI and IC web sites there are 16 members. The ODNI is not listed as a member. I've modified the list and changed the introductory paragraph. On the Air Force, the element identified by the USAF is AIA. NASIC (formerly NAIC) is an organzation within AIA so I remove NASIC from the list. --LuckyOne23 03:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I already posted something concerning this at the helpdesk because the error runs through multiple articles. The IC does contain 17 elements according to the ODNI and the IC websites --> http://www.dni.gov/faq_intel.htm --> http://www.intelligence.gov/about-the-intelligence-community/

So, the ODNI does list itself officially as one of the members of the Intelligence community.

Answer: The IC has 17 members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fierce fennec (talk • contribs) 13:39, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

website down?

not resolving. any info on this? Fcyoss 19:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

inter-agency databases

Is there an appropriate place to mention the Investigative Data Warehouse started by the FBI but accessible by most (if not all) of these agencies? Indie_Film 18:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)