Talk:University of Pennsylvania Glee Club

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History section[edit]

The history section was clearly copied and pasted from promotional material (including the amusing claim that the group gives an "acclaimed rendition" of the star spangled banner). So, I got rid of the egregious stuff. It still needs sources, particularly for the quotations and the more sensational historical claims.--Dmz5 21:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Johnsonv and Brackets[edit]

The name of the 1995 honorary member of the Glee Club looks to be a typo. Was that (sic) or a Wiki entry typo? Could be Johnson V, or the v could be extraneous.

I added brackets around the merit award recipients and found many are already contained in the database. Someone might want to go through and see who the few people are on the list who appear in red to see if they are already in the database but under a spelling variation, or if they are worthy of a page of their own in Wiki.

Pat 04:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tagged primarysources[edit]

The sources appear closely affiliated with the Club or the University. Please substantiate with 3rd-party sources. Also, inline sources or footnotes would be helpful - it's hard to tell what is sourced and what isn't. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and References - Reliability[edit]

Regarding the above comment on "tagged primarysources", many of the citations made in this article are of Bruce Montgomery's book about his time as director of the Penn Glee Club. Wikipedia states, "Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand."

As Montgomery was the director of the Glee Club for 44 years (1956-2000), he was, before his death, undoubtedly regarded as the most authoritative and trustworthy source in relation to the group's history (especially considering that much of the article references events which took place specifically during his long tenure as director). Therefore his book, a credible published material with a reliable publication process (The University of Pennsylvania Press), would seem to be an acceptable source, conforming to Wikipedia's standards.

Robearsn (talk) 15:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Penn Pipers Founding Member[edit]

While the section relating to the Pipers states that Bill Tost was a founding member, this seems unlikely. The Penn Glee Club website alumni section shows that Mr. Tost graduated in 1960. The Pipers was founded in 1950, 10 years prior (and therefore 6 years prior to his freshman year). Can the founders' names and/or Mr. Tost's graduation year be verified?

Penn Glee Club alumni database

--Robearsn (talk) 05:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On page 31 of Bruce Montgomery's memoir of the Penn Glee Club (Brothers, Sing On!) it states that around the time of 1956 the Pipers developed their unique sound as a result of having Bill Tost and Bill Hoffman arranging nearly all their songs. It goes on to talk of two of the Pipers' founding members (John Reardon and John Cox). There is no mention of Tost here and it seems that he was indeed not a founding member, yet was instrumental in defining the sound of the Pipers in the late 50s.

The section has been changed accordingly.

Robearsn (talk) 05:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion[edit]

Strongly oppose Clearly there is a lot more here than WP:RSSM.

Sources via Google search

Google news search — 57 results
Google books search — greater than 100 results
Google scholar search — about 50 results

Look at the Authority Control. Plainly put, non-notable entities normally do not have Worldcat, LCCN, or Deutschen Nationalbibliothek records.
The PROD nominating editor has failed to make a case here on the talk page or notify the three interested Wikiprojects. While not required by the {{Proposed deletion/dated}}, it is something that I expect to see from a PROD nominating editor.
I am therefore removing the Proposed deletion template as per its documentation, is only used where it is believed that the deletion would be uncontroversial. I am challenging the PROD. If the PROD nominating editor still wishes to pursue its deletion, the {{Article for deletion/dated}} template & its associated process should be used instead. Peaceray (talk)

Text copied from Wikipedia[edit]

I investigated the phrase "an audience that was unusually select and large, the Hall filled to its utmost capacity". Using WikiBlame, I determined Robearsn inserted it here at 21:38, 22 October 2005. See the Wikiblame query here. The same phrase appears on the Penn Glee Club's "About Us" page. The earliest that I could find the phrase on the Glee Club website was 4 April 2009, courtesy the : Internet Archive. It thus appears that this is a case of another website copying Wikipedia. Peaceray (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]