Talk:Upsherin

Nazirim

A revision was made after someone added information about Nazerites, with a question in the comments of the edits.

Potentially, one could take the vow of becoming a Nazir upon themselves, but could not be released from the vow (so, it would potentially be in effect the rest of their lives, rather than a month). Then, their child, I guess, could be a Nazerite child. Because no 3yo (that I know of) would really be born a Nazerite . . . Nazirim, today, are out of the scope of this article. Even Nazirim in the 16th century, I'd think would be out of the scope as well. The article is not on "Jews and Hair" but solely on the ceremony of upsherin.

The same text might be valuable somewhere else, but not here.

— <TALKJNDRLINETALK>    20:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

The whole edit was an anachronism and was not enclopedic. JFW | T@lk 20:26, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Copyediting

This page needs a complete rehaul. One, the English is substandard. Two, the organization of the sections follows no logic. Three, there is no explanation of why the haircut is done on Lag Ba'omer, as opposed to some other time. Four, there is no mention of the fact that the custom of not cutting a child's hair until he is three is now popular among many Sephardi families in Israel, even the non-religious. Five, there is no picture. --Gilabrand 18:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I've addressed what I can without sources in front of me. Not only that, the Yiddish is wrong, too - as written, it's "pshern" (the vowel on the alef isn't displaying, so it makes no sense, though it might be a display issue). To be written as spelled should be (r-to-l) komets alef, vov, pey, shin, ayen, resh, yud, langer nun, but it should probably be what's there now, even though the romanization doesn't work (although that's how I've seen it written in English). MSJapan 05:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hasidic in Origin?

This article is inconsistant, claiming the custom is Hasidic in origin (and therefore no earlier than the 18th century) in the intro, then saying in the history section that it may go back to the 17th century — and then giving a statement of H. Vital about I. Luria implying the practice goes back to the 16th century! —Hanina

The following was removed from the article:

This was not adopted from a Muslim custom as Jews in Eastern Europe had no contact with Islam. Further it cannot have started in the 17th Centruy as Rabbi Chaim Vital praticed this in the 16th Century according to your own write up.

I think that perhaps the editor has confused Hasidic with kabbalistic. I am going to change the wording to reflect that. --Eliyak T·C 13:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it was inconsistent - now, most who have this custom are Hassidic, however it was taken from the kabbalists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.5.63 (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

External Links

• Yoram Bilu: "From Milah (Circumcision) to Milah (Word): Male Identity and Rituals of Childhood in the Jewish Ultraorthodox Community" (Ethos 31-2): 172-203, 2003

The above link is no longer available, so it should be removed from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collin Stocks (talk • contribs) 13:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

alphabet of ben sirach

regarding Lilith harming children 'I was created only to cause sickness to infants. If the infant is male, I have dominion over him for eight days after his birth, and if female, for twenty days.'

it does not refer to leaving boys hair long or the age of 3 anywhere — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.52.202.56 (talk) 00:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Accidental Edit under Wrong Account

I accidentally edited this page using my staff account when I intended to use my personal account, Jorm. My edits to the article were personal and not from my role at the Foundation.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)