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Well done on this article; it's always exciting to see good articles on obscure topics such as this one.

Source?[edit]

Just noticed that the thread count for the tartans i'ved checked in the article differ from the counts listed in Scotland's Forged Tartans, which is listed as a source for the article... so where did these thread comes come from?

Errors of internet tartans[edit]

A couple of the tartans based on the Black Watch have tricky thread counts that don't work well with tartan generators (the VS MacKenzie, VS Farquharson and VS Campbell), even on a couple websites they don't have the stripes right. Most of the digital Campbell of Argyll (the VS Campbell) tartans i've seen have the white and yellow stripes as A-B-B-A-A-B-B- and so on, when it should be A-B-A-B-A- and so on. Example: wrong right. The Vestiarium Scoticum article has them nailed down though, so just in case anyone noticed.--Celtus 08:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scans of the book[edit]

I've added a link to the scans of the Vestiarium Scoticum pages on the web site resources.scottishtartans.org. --Arct (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link to scans of book. The text is available from Hathi Trust https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015024262977&view=1up&seq=7 and Google books https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=K44xAQAAMAAJ&rdid=book-K44xAQAAMAAJ&rdot=1 but not the plates. I don't see the scans on scottishtartans.org. Any known on-line resource for copies of the plates? Suzannehendersonemerson (talk) 01:45, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Ramsay tartan incongruencies[edit]

I had an exchange with Peter Eslea MacDonald, the Head of Research & Collections of Scottish Tartans Authority. He is the authority on tartans, he is based in Scotland and I have exchanged messages with him for quite some time. We were discussing the origins, the thread count and other details about the Ramsay tartan. Wikipedia, on line 56, claims that the thread count for the plate of the tartan is "Bk8 W4 Bk56 R60 Bk2 R6" [Forged Tartans, p.61] and that the thread count for the text of the tartan is "R6 Cr2 R60 Bk56 W4 Bk8" [The Setts, p.96], noting that "(the two crimson lines in text are rendered black in the plate)" [Forged Tartans, p.61]. I have no way to check that this is true since I do not have any of the sources but there are a few things to mention. First, the plate for the tartan from the Vestiarium Scoticum of 1842 did not have thread count Bk8 W4 Bk56 R60 Bk2 R6 but Bk8 W4 Bk56 R60 DR2 R6 and this means the overstripes are of crimson color rather than black. Peter Eslea MacDonald confirmed on this and sent me an image to prove it. In addition, there is no evidence of black overstripes and I suspect Wikipedia may have fabricated the black overstripes around the year 2000. Second, R6 Cr2 R60 Bk56 W4 Bk8 is the inverted thread count of Bk8 W4 Bk56 R60 DR2 R6. Unless user Celtus who created the images for the setts in 2007 or somebody else can prove the claims in the sources I listed above, I cannot believe that what is stated in this article is true. If anybody has links that point to the books Forged Tartans and The Setts to verify the claims on this article please provide them.

ICE77 (talk) 05:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]