Talk:Victims of the Night of the Long Knives

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Books on the subject[edit]

In expanding the article I've relied on Richard J. Evans' The Third Reich in Power, recently published in 2005, which the Atlantic Monthly called a "wonder of synthesis and acute judgment...the definitive study for at least a generation." The New York Times Book Review said "Evans has done a great service simply in digesting the mountain of recent scholarship on the Nazis...," and The Boston Globe calls the book "a work drawn from from a mountain of scholarship..." The citations Evans uses are primarily original sources in German, and includes much recent scholarship that earlier writers did not have access to.

This of course does not mean that the article could not benefit from other sources. However, when there is a conflict between sources (although these are few), I've tended to defer to Evans.--Mcattell 16:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm trying to say here is that some sources are much better than others. The best sources in English language for this event are those by historians Richard J. Evans, Ian Kershaw, and Alan Bullock. Most web pages on this subject are shot through with errors.--Mcattell 16:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Victims[edit]

I have added some pictures of some of the more prominent murder victims of that night. 86.186.153.39 (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited material in need of citations[edit]

I am moving the following material here until it can be properly supported with reliable, secondary citations, per WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, et al. [ This diff] shows where it was in the article. Remember that you cannot cite one Wikipedia article as a source in another, as that is circular sourcing. Nightscream (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so this is the reason there isn't an actual list here, of who was killed? Ideally this'd be a sortable table, with fields filled out if known, such as: name, age, job, politics, location, reason targeted, source of claim for being on the list (original 11, 77, etc). It is definitely NOT ideal that it is here in the talk page, instead of on the page itself. DewiMorgan (talk) 02:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So I've put the list back, as a table, and added more refs... but little that wasn't already there on the page. There's a lot more to be done here, but hopefully enough has been done that the next person who sees it won't say "it is founded upon bullshit, let's tear it down!" but rather "it has foundations in solid fact, but needs shoring up: let's add more refs!" I regret I am a very occasional wiki editor, but it's had a good ten hours of my time, so I feel I've put a decent effort in for a first pass at improving. DewiMorgan (talk) 09:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"11".[edit]

"In his speech Hitler revealed the names of 11 of those 77 (Ferdinand von Bredow, Georg von Detten, Karl Ernst, Hans Hayn, Edmund Heines, Peter von Heydebreck, Ernst Röhm, Kurt von Schleicher, Gregor Strasser, and Julius Uhl)." That's only ten names. Who's missing? DewiMorgan (talk) 02:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Victims of the Night of the Long Knives[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Victims of the Night of the Long Knives's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "kershaw":

  • From Nazism: Ian Kershaw. Hitler, 1936–45: Nemesis. New York: W.W. Norton & Company Inc., 2001, p. 588.
  • From Gustav Ritter von Kahr: Kershaw, Ian (2008), Hitler: A Biography, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, ISBN 978-0-393-06757-6
  • From Fascism: Ian Kershaw. Hitler, 1889–1936: Hubris. New York; London: W.W. Norton & Company, 2000. p. 182.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good bot!
Fixed - I'd used the wrong case, kershaw instead of Kershaw. DewiMorgan (talk) 07:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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