Talk:Vietnamese language in the United States

A fact from Vietnamese language in the United States appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when students spoke Vietnamese in a graduation speech in Louisiana, the school district proposed banning all non-English languages?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 14:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that with more than 1.5 million speakers in the United States, Vietnamese is the sixth-most spoken language there? Source: [1], Dietrich, Sandy; Hernandez, Erik (August 2022). "Language Use in the United States: 2019" (PDF). United States Census Bureau. p. 3. Retrieved 2022-11-11.
- ALT1: ... that between 1980 and 2010, Vietnamese in the United States grew sevenfold from about 200,000 to 1.4 million speakers, the fastest for any language? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that Vietnamese is the third-most spoken language in 4 U.S. states? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ida Hunt Udall
- Comment: I will be traveling for an extended period of time so might not be able to reply to comments in a timely manner. Băng Tỏa has volunteered to respond to any comments from reviewers. DHN (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Created by DHN (talk). Self-nominated at 03:02, 12 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great article and fantastic work in expanding it. Well sourced and very informative. Everything is fine. My only quibble is that the ALTs are a bit unwieldy. The first one could be condensed to simply state that Vietnamese is the sixth most spoken language in the US. There were also very interesting details in the article that could be mined for effective ALTs. For example, the issues surrounding "communist terminology" that have entered the Vietnamese language since 1975 and the disdain they arouse from the diaspora community in the US was fascinating to learn about and would make for an enticing ALT. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: Thanks for responding. I've added some more ALT noms per your suggestion:
- ALT3: ... that Vietnamese is the sixth-most spoken language in the US? Source: same as original
- ALT4: ... that many Vietnamese speakers in the US reject new words used in Vietnam as "communist"? Source: [4]: "Vietnamese who left in 1975 tend to associate unfamiliar words used in current Vietnamese spoken in Vietnam as "communist".
- ALT5: ... that while the Northern dialect of Vietnamese is standard in Vietnam, it is stigmatized in the US? Source: [5], page 23
- ALT6: ... that when some students spoke Vietnamese in a graduation speech in Louisiana, the school district proposed rules to ban all non-English languages? Source: [6]
DHN (talk) 16:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great ALTs! You're all set to go; my preferences are for ALT4 and ALT6. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You[edit]

Thank You for the article about the Vietnamese language in the United States. It was well written and very interesting. RFD (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RFD Thanks for reading. If you're able, please help proofread and copyedit the article to help bring it to GA status. DHN (talk) 16:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article used US. I changed it to the United States-correct name-thank you-RFD (talk) 17:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some changes[edit]

First of all, this page for Vietnamese language in United States seems like an overly-nationalistic page that is overly-focused on a United States perspective, otherwise, there would obviously be other articles such as "Vietnamese language in Australia", and there would be "Australian Vietnamese" as well, or even things like "Czech Vietnamese". Hence, it is not appropriate to classify "United States Vietnamese" as its own branch from Vietnamese, as it would simply be considered only a dialect of Vietnamese, not another branch. The reason why is because there are no scientific papers or sources that back this claim and so it should be removed from the article. 123.243.111.143 (talk) 15:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, of course it's going to be about the language in the United States, since that's what the article is about. If you can find enough sources about the variety in other countries, I don't see why articles about them shouldn't exist. DHN (talk) 16:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mxn: I'm inclined towards dispensing with the infobox altogether, since much of the information in there is unsourced. DHN (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DHN: I guess so. I just figured that the article should have an infobox for consistency with similar articles on immigrant languages, such as Spanish language in the United States, French language in the United States, and German language in the United States. "Dialect" has a lot of nuanced meanings. I think the infobox should avoid that term if possible, because it risks confusion with the more common meaning of that word, even among Vietnamese-Americans, that refers to the northern, southern, etc. dialects from Vietnam. I don't see where this article ever claimed that Vietnamese in the U.S. is a language branch. Perhaps the anonymous user misinterpreted an earlier version of the infobox that (correctly) listed the subject of this article beneath "Vietnamese" in the nested list. See Appalachian English and Older Southern American English for precedent. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:21, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]