Talk:Visa policy of Pakistan

Israel

Regarding the entry about Israeli citizens having to register with the Police on arrival, what is it referring to? Pakistan does not recognise Israel and therefore wouldn't issue a visa on any Israeli passport. Is it about the dual nationality holders then? Aeg0n94 (talk) 08:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Armenia

Giving the fact that Pakistan does not recognize Republic of Armenia, is it possible to visit Pakistan with Armenian passport? I guess it is logical if one state does not recognize the other, it also should not recognize passports issued by that state as well. So it would not be more correct to change Armenia's colour on the map from grey to black as "admission refused"?37.157.219.231 (talk) 09:46, 17 April 2017 (UTC)Begabler

That is original research.--Twofortnights (talk) 10:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Iceland

Pakistan and Iceland signed an agreement on the abolition of visas long time ago. Iceland denounced the agreement (date unknown). Pakistan continued to use this agreement. In 2017, Iceland was excluded from the list of countries having visa exemption agreement with Pakistan.

Citizens of 5 countries can visit without a visa. Pakistan Document [1]

We can see this table before 2015. [2] 7 countries. Zambia was revoked in 2015.

New table was published Ministry of Interior of Pakistan [3] 5 countries.

Iceland is in the list of 67 countries visa on arrival and visa free for tourist groups.

The only source remains Timatic. I think that the legislation of the country is more important than Timatic. I make the edit. --Norvikk (talk) 16:07, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I have seen this before - Pakistan suspends visa-on-arrival facility for foreigners and Pakistan stops visa on arrival for foreigners. But when you read the articles, I am not sure what does it refer to.--Twofortnights (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

It's just talk, as I understand it. There is no official data on the abolition of visas on arrival for 67 countries.
I did not write to Timatic about Iceland. They have not answered my previous requests. Norvikk (talk) 18:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Norvikk, I wrote to my IATA contact (Timatic's sourcing manager) about Iceland, and he clearly said Iceland can still enter visa-free in practice. According to him formal law frequently differs from actual practice, and what they publish is actual practice. André Devecserii (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

They also recently published that Indian ordinary passport holders may enter Macedonia for 30 days without a visa. I don't think this happens in practice?--Twofortnights (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Twofortnights, it actually does - I myself went on a bus with an Indian from Serbia to Macedonia in late June. He only held a Serbian visa, and had zero problems at the Macedonian border. And it's 90 days btw André Devecserii (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

You know that we can't use personal stories as references. Macedonian MFA never published anything on this nor did any of the media and neither did the Indian MEA.--Twofortnights (talk) 12:17, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

No Twofortnights, but the point is that actual practice (which is what's published by Timatic) isn't necessarily consistent with formal law. I've encountered several such cases. And the fact remains that Timatic states visa exemptions for Icelanders in Pakistan as well as Indians in Macedonia, and that is the main source we use, as well as travel agents and airlines. Furthermore, again my IATA contact double checked regarding Pakistan and explicitly said that Icelanders remain visa-free André Devecserii (talk) 03:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree we should mention that IATA provides this or that information but we cannot ignore what the national law says especially when the webpage is obviously kept up to date like the Pakistan MOI page. Also a candidate country for the EU membership should have very strict immigration rules and not some unwritten situations so it is rather surprising to hear that there is some kind of unofficial policy to let Indians without a visa to Macedonia. All this needs to be noted in articles.--Twofortnights (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Twofortnights I doubt the visa exemption for Indians is an unofficial policy - the MFA is just lazy about updating their sites, and far from all countries publish every single change in the visa regime in the media. And as for embassies, I know from experience far from all of them stay up to date on the latest developments.

Albania is another example. Out of sloppiness, they state in their document that Bosnians and Lebanese (!) can enter on ID cards, which neither of them can. For Lebanese to be allowed doesn't even make any sense as they require a visa. Americans, on the other hand, cannot use IDs according to the MFA document, but according to Timatic's sources (they thoroughly "renovated" their Albania section the day before yesterday) they can André Devecserii (talk) 14:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Final confirmation that visa is in fact required - [4]. That settles it then.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Sent an e-mail to the Macedonian embassy in London. Consul Shpend Sadiki tends to ask the director of the border authorities directly. Will let you know what he says André Devecserii (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

OK but this is the reply from the Visa division of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, I suppose they should know the best as they determine the visa policy.--Twofortnights (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Twofortnights While this should be the case, based on personal experience with several countries I can tell you it isn't necessarily. For example one person within Kosovo's visa department said Macedonian ID cards are accepted, another person from the same department that they are not André Devecserii (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@André Devecserii - not sure what the consul said but Timatic now says that the visa is required by Indian nationals visiting Macedonia - [5]. The Indian you saw enter Macedonia without a visa may have bribed the border officers or there was some similar story behind it.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:11, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

@Twofortnights: Great! As for the Indian, when entering Macedonia by bus passports/IDs are collected by the police and returned by bus staff, so he never spoke to them. Guess they weren't too neat André Devecserii (talk) 21:49, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Should the map be changed now?

There's all these new changes this month. Should the map be changed?101.178.163.19 (talk) 05:13, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

The map should be changed but not now but only after those changes come into effect.--Twofortnights (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Bangladesh is new all kinds of visa waived by PAKISTAN. Change is in need of order. Stephenfryfan (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Taiwan

Can anyone explain about Taiwan in article what condition they have to travel. PakEditor1 (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Map CORRECTION URGENT!

Bangladesh is waived of all kinds of vosa restrictions. Stephenfryfan (talk) 20:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)