Talk:Vulture capitalist

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Derogatory term?[edit]

Please actually read the sources given before making the claim that this term is derogatory: both sources are far more nuanced than this. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can only provide a few primary sources, but "vulture capitalist" as derogatory slang for "venture capitalist" seems to be common usage. E.g. http://www.new-jersey-birds.com/2011/02/birding-on-sand-hill-road.html or http://rainmaking.com/future-financing-the-end-of-vulture-capital/ or http://nymag.com/nymag/columns/bottomline/1409/ or http://www.fundingpost.com/glossary/venture-glossary.asp to name a few. 50.174.198.99 (talk) 21:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Today, the word is actually used both ways. Sometimes it is used as a derogatary term, some times it is not. Though I do not particularily like the term, it has its particular uses when described using proper economic terms and understanding. 78.69.217.113 (talk) 10:11, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Article ignores anti-Semitic implications[edit]

This article ignores all anti-Semitic implications of this term.--Ibutobi (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like ideology. Explain? Acrumen (talk) 20:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This term is anti-Semitic slander.--Ibutobi (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ibutobi: it doesn't mention Jews. Are you saying it should? Doug Weller talk 14:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: This is not a neutral term; it's an anti-Semitic one. This has to be added to the article. A recent example: https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/12/nebraska-how-a-jewish-wall-street-vulture-killed-an-american-town/ --Ibutobi (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ibutobi: if you can find some mainstream sources discussing this we might be able to use them, but we do need them. See WP:VERIFY and WP:RS. I looked but didn't find any but then I didn't have much time. Doug Weller talk 22:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: I found these sources:

These sources demonstrate the anti-Semitic use of the term.--Ibutobi (talk) 23:48, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I made it a bit more readable. None of these mention "vulture capitalist"; without some reliable sources making the connection, we cannot on our own conclude the "vulture" in "vulture capitalist" is the same anti-semitic trope as the caricatures. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 23:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The term "vulture" is anti-semitic, as already mentioned. Thus, the further use of it in any phrases like "vulture capitalist" is anti-semitic, too.--Lee got bit (talk) 13:34, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thus, it should be easy enough to find a reliable source establishing "vulture capitalist" as an anti-semitic expression. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 15:34, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, those are vital. The term vulture is not antisemitic by itself of course, but it is often used in antisemitic ways. Doug Weller talk 17:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heinrich Himmler used the term 'Aasgeier' (German for vulture) and also did Der Stürmer.--Lee got bit (talk) 12:24, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee got bit: please, you're getting offtopic. If you can find several reliable sources discussing the phrase as antisemitic, we really are done here. Doug Weller talk 16:09, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I don't think the historical background and circumstances concerning the use of the "vulture" term and its derivatives is offtopic. Its connection to anti-Semitism is obvious. And it is still an on-going issue today, as discussed here or there.--Lee got bit (talk) 10:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here are additional sources of anti-Semitic use of vulture term: here, here, here or here.--Lee got bit (talk) 10:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And which of these use the term "vulture capitalist"? The ones that aren't paywalled don't. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 15:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The term "vulture" is important. If someone would insult me with "You are a faggot" or with "You are a faggot student" - do you really think there is a difference?--Lee got bit (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The term "vulture capitalist" was linked with an older version of this site on Paul Singer (businessman) including anti-Semitic depictions. I removed the link. Can old versions be removed from history of articles?--Lee got bit (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article is practically empty[edit]

I removed a lot of erroneous and unsourced content and removed obvious non-RS citations. There is really nothing of substance here. Also the expression "vulture capitalist" was coined to refer to certain investors in distressed debt, a topic that's entirely missing from this article. SPECIFICO talk 00:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; the article is basically a definition, and it's hard to see it getting much better. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 03:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Before engaging in page blanking again...[edit]

What, specifically, is wrong with the current version of the page? What are the issues? Because as far as I can see, the page blanking edit amounts to nothing more than vandalism under a (possibly false) claim of "making truthy"; please, give me something more than argument by flat assertion. ^Thanks, _{Luc "Somethingorother" French} 17:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]