Talk:W. H. Over Museum

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thanks and further development[edit]

Thank you User:Bkissin and User:JSeb05 for recent edits/development/suggestions about this article, which I had left in draft state although I was pretty sure the topic would be Wikipedia-notable.

In comments during the AFC, Bkissin suggested:

"Additional sources:
- https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/local-news/w-h-over-musem-in-vermillion-to-re-open-to-the-public/
- https://www.plaintalk.net/local_news/article_b9089000-b91d-11e4-aa5c-cb6187ced12c.html"

Certainly those should be consulted, added, if that has not already been done.

And Bkissin commented and asked: "Probably notable, but there are some lines in here that come across as promotional or not what WP is meant for. We don't need mission statement nonsense in the article (unless you can phrase it in such a way that makes it flow with the rest of the article, which I doubt [not your abilities, moreso the wording]) The Vermillion Plain Talk articles are probably reliable sources, the rest seem like run of the mill blogs. The information about Over and his work with the Ludlow cave is fascinating, but is not referenced. Did it come from the same Vermillion Plain Talk article?"

Brief answer: I believe that my general information about Over and his work with the Ludlow cave is from excellent and extensive reports by paleontologist Linea Sundstrom which I was consulting while developing a new list of archeological sites in South Dakota within the pre-existing Paleontology in South Dakota article, specifically:^[1] and ^[2]

References

^ Linea Sundstrom April 2019. South Dakota State Plan for Archaeological Resources, 2018 Update (PDF). South Dakota State Historical Society.{{cite report}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
^ Linea Sundstrom (February 25, 1993). "National Register of Historic Places Multiple Property Documentation: Prehistoric Rock Art of South Dakota MPS". National Park Service. Retrieved February 28, 2021. (with 11 rock art sketches) (from partly NPS-funded project directed by Linea Sundstrom)

I developed that article a lot during February-March of this year. The "credited or blamed" wording is mine, in my stating that the museum "is named for W.H. Over, who is credited or blamed for excavating the Ludlow Cave, an archeological site of great importance, probably the most significant in the state, which had a wealth of projectile points and much more. It was excavated with poor methods, including possible accidental mixture of projectile points from other sites/cultures/eras into its collection." I was really appalled when learning about how horribly that was done. W.H. Over actually went in and scooped up everything, like if he had run a bulldozer and big vacuum cleaners, removing everything within this awesome cave which had hosted persons and animals over many centuries. And he carted all that away, and then even mixed that up with excavated materials from other sites! Aack! And I wanted to refer to W.H. Over but think I could not find enough to start an article about him alone, and I determined that an article about the museum to which W.H. Over could redirect would probably work. So there is more to develop here, including improving attribution of my statement about W.H. Over but I do believe the basic facts and overview are fine. Thanks again to both of you for your development and comments! --Doncram (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[Sundstrom2018-1] Linea Sundstrom April 2019. South Dakota State Plan for Archaeological Resources, 2018 Update (PDF). South Dakota State Historical Society.{{cite report}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

[MPS-2] Linea Sundstrom (February 25, 1993). "National Register of Historic Places Multiple Property Documentation: Prehistoric Rock Art of South Dakota MPS". National Park Service. Retrieved February 28, 2021. (with 11 rock art sketches) (from partly NPS-funded project directed by Linea Sundstrom)

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