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Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material

Hello, Please do not add unreferenced names as entries to the list of former employees in articles. Including this type of material in articles does not abide by current consensus and its inclusion is strongly discouraged in our policies and guidelines. The rationales are as follows:

  1. WP:NOT tells us, Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of information." As that section describes, just because something is true, doesn't necessarily mean the info belongs in Wikipedia.
  2. As per WP:V, we cannot include information in Wikipedia that is not verifiable and sourced.
  3. WP:Source list tells us that lists included within articles (including people's names) are subject to the same need for references as any other information in the article.
  4. Per WP:BLP, we have to be especially careful about including un-sourced info about living persons.

If you look at articles about companies in general, you will not find mention of previous employees, except in those cases where the employee was particularly notable. Even then, the information is not presented just as a list of names, but is incorporated into the text itself (for example, when a company's article talks about the policies a previous CEO had, or when they mention the discovery/invention of a former engineer/researcher). If a preexisting article is already in the encyclopedia for the person you want to add to a list, it's generally regarded as sufficient to support their inclusion in list material in another article. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 18:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Station began broadcasting news in HD on October 23

WJRT-TV began broadcasting their news in HD with the 6 p.m. newscast on Sunday, October 23. No supporting citation has been found yet to support this edit, but one editor has been reverting the updates of about a half dozen editors reporting the newscasts now broadcasting in HD. I've requested on the TV station's Facebook page requesting that a journalistic citation be inserted. In the meantime, the reverting editor has violated the 3RR rule and is being reported. Steelbeard1 (talk) 17:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Prove it. I have not broken any rules. If the information was true, a reliable source could be found. I will continue to remove it until a reliable source can be found. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
A responsible editor would add a 'citation needed' tag and wait a few days for the citation to appear. TomCat4680 is not acting like a resposible editor by reverting the edits of about a half dozen editors without adding the tag. I added a tag and he even removed that. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

No, a responsible editor follows rules like WP:PROVEIT: The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Where is the source? How about instead of attacking me you spend your time more productively by finding a source for your claim?TomCat4680 (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

One has not been found yet. I phoned the WJRT news department and the reporter who answer the phone was surprised that this story is not online. So I think that will correct itself. Now will you allow the insertion of the edit with the 'citation needed' tag included? Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I see you added the info in question back without a reliable source. I'll give you a week to find a reliable source but after that I'll remove it per WP:PROVEIT. TomCat4680 (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm a newcomer to this page (from the WP:ANEW board), and I just have to say, there's no reason for this issue to get this heated. Luckily the discussion is ongoing and no blocks were handed out, but a simple {{cn}} certainly isn't worth this much hassle. It doesn't seem to be a contentious issue, so I see nothing wrong with tagging it and giving other editors time to find a source. Dayewalker (talk) 01:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Dayewalker, perhaps we both overreacted. The source is still needed, but I have been watching WJRT's local newscasts this week and they have been making several "available in HD" claims, so I guess it's true. TomCat4680 (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Digital TV information

To address the jumping IP editor's claims about supposed WP:TVS standards stated in edit summaries:

  • 15:07, 24 November 2014‎ 37.231.58.54 (talk)‎ . . (16,690 bytes) (-219)‎ . . (resolutions/aspect ratios do not belong in the infobox, they go in the dtv table and the dtv table only. also remove non-notable former affiliations)
  • 22:03, 24 November 2014‎ 37.39.141.93 (talk)‎ . . (17,429 bytes) (+222)‎ . . (resolutions/aspect ratios do not belong in the infobox, they go in the dtv table and the dtv table only. also local brandings of national 24/7 ota networks on subchannels are not notworthy)
  • 01:22, 25 November 2014‎ 62.215.144.103 (talk)‎ . . (17,429 bytes) (+222)‎ . . (it's supposed to be like every tv page info box per WP:INFOBOX; also you are removing dtv tables, which are important for articles. please don't revert this edit again)
  • 15:46, 25 November 2014‎ 152.43.46.159 (talk)‎ . . (17,429 bytes) (+222)‎ . . (stop removing the dtv tables and stop putting res/aspects in infobox RIGHT NOW!!!!!)

Per the claim that every TV page infobox per WP:INFOBOX doesn't allow resolutions/aspect ratios there is nothing there indicating that is the case. Neither at Template:Infobox broadcast nor at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television Stations#Station infobox say that this information doesn't belong their nor that there must be a digital TV section per Wikipedia:WikiProject Television Stations#Article structure. If it important enough that their should be a Digital TV subchannel table then it should be important enough to be in the infobox.

Regarding former affiliations being non-notable or "notworthy", they have been reported on as high as ABC News Now by the AP article at USA Today. Wikipedia:WikiProject Television Stations#Station infobox in fact state that the affiliation field should list "affiliations - What network or networks the station is affiliated with". Just because I find a different use for the subchannel field in listing resolutions/aspect ratios and their PSIP, because it over laps with affiliation, does not make it wrong. The TVS page description of the subchannel field more tell what the subchannels are than what is suppose to go in the field. While the Template:Infobox broadcast: "List any digital subchannels, ... if not identified in "affiliations" or elsewhere." In my format, the subchannels are clearly ID with the PSIP short name. Spshu (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

This is all just TheREALCableGuy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who has been a DTV-template and E/I meddler in the past. WP:RBI is appropriate in this case, just don't engage since whatever IP-grabbing tool they use to edit after all their other methods have been blocked only keeps them on for a few minutes. Blocking is useless, so just restore the edit, report it to the TRCG sock page, and move on. Nate • (chatter) 23:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Romper Room

I was on Romper Room in the early 1960's and I remember her name as Miss Marjorie, not Miss Margie.70.171.253.126 (talk) 17:33, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Miss Margies is what the Flint Journa//mlive indicates and that is what the editors here must use. Perhaps there were two different hosts for Romper Room? --Spshu (talk) 14:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Digital TV information again

See Talk:WJRT-TV/Archive 1#Digital TV information for previous starting on discussing digital TV information, which includes mrschimpf not taking issue with said edits. Spshu (talk) 23:34, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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