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Hi @Charles01: Thank you very much for taking on the request (via @Dr. Blofeld:) and creating the article. I came across the hotel because it was the setting for Youth (2015 film), which I watched recently and loved the hell out of! Anyway, the official website seems to use the name "Waldhaus Flims" for the hotel (e.g. "Welcome to Waldhaus Flims. Immerse yourself into the fascinating world of the Waldhaus Flims") so I think that's probably how we should name the article. Any thoughts? --Loeba (talk) 14:23, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for the thanks. I'm not sure my thoughts are much use here. I know people get very exercised about names of wiki articles, but as long as there are redirects for would be readers who "guessed wrong", I don't think it matters. I simply used the same name as they use in German wikipedia for this one, but without thinking very much about it. There may be people who produce a lot of hotel entries with "views" however, and if you do get to change the title of the entry, try and find out if there are any wiki-rules and conventions to be respected first. The only other hotel with a wiki entry that I could think of instantly is the London Ritz. That uses The Ritz Hotel, London though there's also a redirect respecting Ritz Hotel London, presumably intended for people such as yourself who dislike commas in this context. Loeba, I'm afraid I'm not really going anywhere with this, but it seemed impolite not to reply to you. I am sure that a good case can be made for any article name that you might reasonably come up with. Don't hold back on my account. And while I'm at it, do you know any way to google for sources on a posh hotel without getting a list of nothing but press releases from an advertising agency, most of which appear to have come from Wikipedia in the first place (unless, as sometimes happens, it was the other way round: but then you have to work through the dates which is sometimes a doddle and sometimes not)? Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:49, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really mind much either and won't make a fuss. My suggestion was nothing to do with avoiding punctuation though, just replicating what is used on the official website. Looking quickly at WP:HOTEL, there doesn't seem to be any guidelines on titling. But I don't think there is any requirement that the word "Hotel" be included, for example Claridge's and Waldorf Astoria New York. So if they call themselves "Waldhaus Flims" that would be my preference...but if we'd rather be clear, "Hotel Waldhaus Flims" is good too.--Loeba (talk) 15:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the London Ritz and Waldorf articles! I let Charles do this one though because there was already a decent article on de wiki. I wouldn't worry about whatever rules wikipedia apparently has on hotels. Next to nobody seems to care about hotels on wikipedia, so I doubt any rule which did exist would be policed. Whatever the official name is I nearly always go by, the official site says Waldhaus Flims. German wiki though seems to think Hotel Waldhaus is more common and most likely to be searched. There was a reason why I opted for The Ritz Hotel, London, I can't remember now though haha!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you've reminded me of something on which I can at least muster an opinion. Congratulations. I think excluding the word "Hotel" (as in "Claridge's" or "Waldorf Astoria") imputes a level of hubristic arrogance to these institutions which (I trust) their managements would reject. Even grand hotels can go belly up and be forgotten after a few years. I think the title of an entry on an hotel should incorporate the word "hotel" both as a sop to my dislike of arrogance (have you ever met anyone who said they like arrogance, though?) and in order to try and future-proof the entry a bit. On the one hand, attempts to future-proof wikipedia are almost certainly doomed to fail. On the other hand, look how we still rely on the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica and old nineteenth century dictionaries of national biography. You really can never know which works of reference will still find themselves consulted in any civilisation than makes it through to 2115.

Also, these old Swiss hotels frequently use the name "Kurhaus". The term has been used for the "Waldhaus Flims". I've been translating that here as "spa hotel". But unless you happen to have come across them, it is not obvious to a non-German speaker that a Kurhaus is a kind of hotel. (And not every "Kurhaus" really does operate as an hotel. But I think in a touristy corner of Switzerland it's a pretty safe bet, in the absence of strong contrary evidence in an individual case.) Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that even the German article introduces it as "Das Waldhaus Flims...", and our article here says "In 2008, following a major building programme, the Hotel Waldhaus was rebranded as the "Waldhaus Flims Mountain Resort & Spa". Based on this, and the usage on the official website, I'm going to change the title. Cheers, the article is looking great by the way --Loeba (talk) 19:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]