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Comment[edit]

Allah the Most High, creator of my thoughts and movements of my body seen and unseen. My every thought has been created and preplanned like a script, Allah , His Majesty The Most Pure has control of my every thought, my mind and my soul, my body. Everything around me whispers His name. I fear Allah , Lord Of The Worlds, but yet i seek Him I am here not to choose, i am here to understand why i made the choice. I will continue to serve Him for eternity or till my lord relieves me of my duty I am a servant and He is my Master My Master controls me.my heart draws closer to my master every second. The lord has no boundaries, HE is eternal, forever, everywhere, everything. HE has created for Himself the most beautiful name full of honour ALLAH AZZA WAJJAL SUBHANA WATA 'ALA the heart is associated with the soul, the mind is associated with the body.my mind for dunia my heart for akhirat, my heart leads my mind. Please allow me to be close to you, Master, please allow me to repeat your Name, Master, Master of ALL. dunia is only deception.....akhirat is forever......my Master ALLAH is reality i am here to prove that i am a rightful, obedient servant, obdience to my Master LAILAHAILLALLAH.....truly if only u could see what my eye can see...the eye of my heart. I Love u my Lord.....please please i beg u my Master.....acknowlege me as your servant...that u my Master have created from only that u Master know of.....my Master u created everything even your Name that we have sworn to honour and prostrate to...please give my peace and blessings to your messenger RASULLULLAH MUHAMMED SALLALLAH 'ALAI HI WASALLAM...whom without him many would still be blinded by this dunia that u my Master have created The heart was not untrue in seeing what he saw.I am nothing, i need nothing, i only need Allah.

(those are the words of one young wali)

What is that supposed to add to the discussion about the article?Hakeem.gadi (talk) 06:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dont understand....[edit]

....what is this article about.

can someone REALLY write an article, written for someone who does NOT already know about the subject of the article BEFORE reading the article itself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.160.96.52 (talk) 14:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The literal basic meaning of the Arabic word is "near person" or "person who is nearby", but it has developed a lot of extended meanings and historical associations in over a thousand years of history... AnonMoos (talk) 00:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is Saint really the most common translation[edit]

Just from reading the history section of the article Gwadar I came across a usage of Wali to mean an appointed representative of a ruler. I seriously wonder if maybe we need to create multiple articles on Wali to cover its various meanings.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The word covered by this article is very ambiguous in meaning (in a legal sense "guardian", several religious connotations which differ between Sunni and Shi`ah, etc.), but in Arabic it's spelled and pronounced differently from the word which means "governor" (ولي vs. وال), so the word meaning governor is at wāli... AnonMoos (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Anan218 (talk) 12:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Table[edit]

Jeepers, Hartman456, what's up with the table? How are those saints related to Islam? Eperoton (talk) 00:36, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Veneration? that's it?[edit]

"Salafism, Wahhabism, and Islamic modernism ... formed a front against the veneration and theory of saints", .... "For the adherents of Wahhabism, for example, the practice of venerating saints appears as an "abomination", for they see in this a form of idolatry.[3] It is for this reason that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which adheres to the Wahhabi creed, "destroyed the tombs of saints wherever ... able"[3] during its expansion in the Arabian Peninsula from the eighteenth-century onwards.[3]

@Hartman456: (who wrote most of this)
I ask you: "Salafis, Wahhabis, and Islamic modernists" hate the veneration of saints.
Anything about why?
Why the saints are venerated?
Anything to do with Tawassul (intercession)? with Ziyarat?
Why other Muslims are so adamantly opposed to this?
This is a long article but very little on these key points.--BoogaLouie (talk) 15:02, 14 June 2018 (UTC) --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong ref[edit]

Shah Ali Ganj Gowher (mystic of Hanafi jurisprudence) [city of Valudavur]<ref>{{Cite journal |title= Awliyā Chalabī |doi = 10.1163/1875-9831_isla_com_0316}}</ref>

Dubious. Ref links to Brill's "Encyclopaedia Islamica" entry for "Awliyā Chalabī", which also mentions his master, Evliya Mehmed Effendi. Not Shah Ali Ganj Gowher or anything Indian. Arminden (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More than dubious: "Shah Ali Ganj Gowher" turns up no search result save circular references back to this Wikipedia article. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]